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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#61 - 2011-09-15 10:09:56 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:

Edit: I want to request a feature for the forums that rejects any post that has fewer that 50% recognizable words Ugh


Write it up and I'll give supports.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#62 - 2011-09-15 10:10:25 UTC
Anna Orkiste wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
There is a problem if someone afk cloaks in a complex or whatever so it cannot despawn till downtime, that is a pathetic thing to do.

There is currently no way of finding them as they could be anywhere.


This is different I think and if true (I haven't experimented with the mechanics) should probably be revisited. If you can actively counter me and I have no game mechanic with which to fight back then this is probably deserves some game mechanics tweaking. If it's just a matter of some guy in local hiding so it keeps you on edge, learn to deal with it.



its true i tested my self out if you run lets say sanctum and there enerbly you cloucked shiop sanctum not respawning hee stays there untill that cloucked ship warps away.

Ader ting here is meny posts that smal entatys wiling to live in 0.0 etc. how you see smal entaty pl live ern isk in 0.0 if they have like 2-3 systems with no sanctums at all and best hevens, ant there is clouckers afkers hoo sit in al 3 systems they have no where to go. Some one sad leave system he cant there in second allaince system is again the same, so all allaince gos down or wath? I tink that to easy to break wiling to fight or actyualy no isk to fight with enemy. And you stil wish mechanics for samm alliance to take foot in 0.0, if they will have no posibility to ern eny isk at all. If some one say that no hapens so not true i saa my self that hapening.


He's talking about you btw.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2011-09-15 11:02:56 UTC
See what happens when an entire generation grows up without speak n' spell and watched Barney the purple dinosaur?
The human race is doomed.
Time for a purge.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#64 - 2011-09-15 11:07:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
I blame hukt of fonix, personally.

If english isn't your native language, use a translator from your native language, and spot check it if you have some level of understanding. If it is, and a spell checker can't help you, go back to fraking school.

If you're just too ignorant to be bothered with proper spelling and grammar, gtfo.

Edited for grammar and spelling Oops

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Anna Orkiste
DELTA FORCE RANGERS
#65 - 2011-09-15 13:22:58 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
I blame hukt of fonix, personally.

If english isn't your native language, use a translator from your native language, and spot check it if you have some level of understanding. If it is, and a spell checker can't help you, go back to fraking school.

If you're just too ignorant to be bothered with proper spelling and grammar, gtfo.

Edited for grammar and spelling Oops



english not my native language. lerned in eve on my own trued thos stupid tings ars tranlators they not work wor me i dont know all words and english its verry verry veard languege writing and speaking 2 difrent worlds. i write how i hear words not how suposto be writed. In Spell chakers dont give right answers just give all red markers and that it. howto fix that words i dont know.
Lelob
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2011-09-16 11:05:11 UTC
**** the bears. This is a pvp game. HTFU
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2011-09-16 14:49:34 UTC
Hi, I love cloaks and afk cloaking! Afk cloaking owns. Never stop making ratters cry.

~hi~
Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2011-09-16 19:58:41 UTC
People : Let's remove undetectable tengu and expect to find some victims in low/0.0
CCP removed it, then people find no tengus could be found

People: Let's remove the local and expect to find some carebears ratting in 0.0
CCP removed it, then people find no ratters in 0.0
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2011-09-18 07:56:47 UTC
Cloaking in system, disrupting an enemies isk making capacity and killing occasional stupid people is a totally valid tactic and should be welcome within the game.

Cloaking your ship in space, then going to work/bed/out drinking to disrupt enemy isk making isnt and should not be allowed, some mechanic to stop it is needed. There should be NO way to affect other players from getting on with their game unless you are sat at your PC actually playing Eve. You can even log back in after DT using a remote desktop which can be done very easily. This is a massively abused tactic.

Basically, if you arnt actually playing Eve, at your computer, you should not be able to affect what other players are doing, even if it is only psychologically.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
iblade darkstar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2011-09-18 15:04:13 UTC
sorry but i thought this game was about tactics and counters, hasn't it been said time and time again by ccp that there should be no "I WIN " button in the game.
for every tactic there is a counter, for every mod there is a counter, for every gameplay style there is a counter. this is true for everything in the game but 1 and thats the cloak. the secound you turn it on YOU WIN because no-one can stop you from that point on. i don't care what the counter is to cloaking but there needs to be one, if it's a fuel bay then fine. if it's a 4 hour mod cycle timer then fine, even if it's a pos mod that takes an hour or 2 to scan the system and finds everything in the system weather cloaked or not then thats fine to. but there MUST BE A COUNTER to the cloak or it is the I WIN button of this game.
to the people who say that people will find ways around it well thats true and you know thats fine 2 as long as there are counters to it.
Fighter26
Orion's Fist
#71 - 2011-09-18 17:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Fighter26
What I have been saying for ages now is to remove the ability of a cov ops cloaked ships to field regular cynos and increase the jump range and fuel bay of black ops by 50% and increase a black ops effective hitpoints by 25%. Ditch conventional cynos ability on cov ops cloak ships in exchange for a much better black ops/bridge cov ops gangs.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#72 - 2011-09-19 15:09:44 UTC
iblade darkstar wrote:
sorry but i thought this game was about tactics and counters, hasn't it been said time and time again by ccp that there should be no "I WIN " button in the game.
for every tactic there is a counter, for every mod there is a counter, for every gameplay style there is a counter. this is true for everything in the game but 1 and thats the cloak. the secound you turn it on YOU WIN because no-one can stop you from that point on. i don't care what the counter is to cloaking but there needs to be one, if it's a fuel bay then fine. if it's a 4 hour mod cycle timer then fine, even if it's a pos mod that takes an hour or 2 to scan the system and finds everything in the system weather cloaked or not then thats fine to. but there MUST BE A COUNTER to the cloak or it is the I WIN button of this game.
to the people who say that people will find ways around it well thats true and you know thats fine 2 as long as there are counters to it.


You've failed to explain how a ship, cloaked, unmoving in space with no one at the keyboard is actually winning anything.

The problem isn't the cloaked ship. The problem is that you're afraid of the pilot you see in local that you don't know and can't find.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Laechyd Eldgorn
Avanto
Hole Control
#73 - 2011-09-19 17:51:58 UTC
nerf being afk while in station or pos
paritybit
Stimulus
#74 - 2011-09-19 19:58:30 UTC
Nerf AFK cloaking by nerfing the infallible intelligence source known as local. This will empower non-AFK cloakers and all will be well with New Eden.
paritybit
Stimulus
#75 - 2011-09-19 20:18:58 UTC
Eperor wrote:
yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.


Why are you flying a billion isk ship in null-sec at a location that anybody can warp to without alerting you to their presence? Any battlecruiser or stealth bomber will do for belt rats.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2011-09-19 23:56:45 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Cloaking in system, disrupting an enemies isk making capacity and killing occasional stupid people is a totally valid tactic and should be welcome within the game.

Cloaking your ship in space, then going to work/bed/out drinking to disrupt enemy isk making isnt and should not be allowed, some mechanic to stop it is needed. There should be NO way to affect other players from getting on with their game unless you are sat at your PC actually playing Eve. You can even log back in after DT using a remote desktop which can be done very easily. This is a massively abused tactic.

Basically, if you arnt actually playing Eve, at your computer, you should not be able to affect what other players are doing, even if it is only psychologically.


So what you are saying is that you would be okay if the player cloaked is removed from local after some period of inactivity correct? And if active again will show up in local again right?

Then why not support a solution instead of waxing two pages of politico
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-09-20 01:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Rico Minali wrote:
Cloaking in system, disrupting an enemies isk making capacity and killing occasional stupid people is a totally valid tactic and should be welcome within the game.

Cloaking your ship in space, then going to work/bed/out drinking to disrupt enemy isk making isnt and should not be allowed, some mechanic to stop it is needed. There should be NO way to affect other players from getting on with their game unless you are sat at your PC actually playing Eve. You can even log back in after DT using a remote desktop which can be done very easily. This is a massively abused tactic.

Basically, if you arnt actually playing Eve, at your computer, you should not be able to affect what other players are doing, even if it is only psychologically.


A question....

how the #### do you know that cloaker is really there (not afk)?

By your logic.... its a valid tactic...but no one in their right brain would ever "answer" in local if they are there if their soul purpose is to spy.

Hypocritical much?

Seriously people...get over yourselves.... AFK or not...the point is... it wont matter a damn if CCP nerfs local..you'll just ***** about something else.

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Usurpine
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2011-09-20 12:44:54 UTC
Rina Asanari wrote:
Seems that people still miss the point that (AFK) cloakers may not be completely idle (that's why I put "AFK" in brackets) but still can log the comings and goings in a system, people, ship types, cartograph a whole system, make safespots if local drops empty or everyone present is docked...

All of that without any risk of being discovered, thus contradicting their often-used phrase "nothing is risk-free" on their own.

So I have to state that again: Make cloaking limited somehow. Be it with countermeasures (ship modules, POS installations, whatever), time or resource limits (cap, fuel, ...) but

cloaking as it is has to be changed!


Let them use fuel, so they run out.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#79 - 2011-09-20 13:34:58 UTC
Cloaks are fine... it's people expecting bunnies and flowers in null sec that need to be fixed.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
iblade darkstar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2011-09-20 23:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: iblade darkstar
Ingvar Angst wrote:
iblade darkstar wrote:
sorry but i thought this game was about tactics and counters, hasn't it been said time and time again by ccp that there should be no "I WIN " button in the game.
for every tactic there is a counter, for every mod there is a counter, for every gameplay style there is a counter. this is true for everything in the game but 1 and thats the cloak. the secound you turn it on YOU WIN because no-one can stop you from that point on. i don't care what the counter is to cloaking but there needs to be one, if it's a fuel bay then fine. if it's a 4 hour mod cycle timer then fine, even if it's a pos mod that takes an hour or 2 to scan the system and finds everything in the system weather cloaked or not then thats fine to. but there MUST BE A COUNTER to the cloak or it is the I WIN button of this game.
to the people who say that people will find ways around it well thats true and you know thats fine 2 as long as there are counters to it.


You've failed to explain how a ship, cloaked, unmoving in space with no one at the keyboard is actually winning anything.

The problem isn't the cloaked ship. The problem is that you're afraid of the pilot you see in local that you don't know and can't find.



Tbh cloakers in system don't really bother me, I deal with them in the same way I would any other neutral that comes around and that's mainly by ignoring them and getting on with playing the game the way I would if they hadnt been there in the first place.

My problem is the fact that you can go into a system and do something that NO ONE can counter, like I said in my original post I don't care what the counter is as long as there is a counter. You win because no one can do anything to stop you doing anything you want as long as you are cloaked. If that's not winning in this game then plz explain what you would accept as WIN in this game.