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Titan nerf - is it happening?

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Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-02-11 07:05:33 UTC
Valentyn3 wrote:
Surge Roth wrote:
Valentyn3 wrote:
Surge Roth wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…which will buff it quite drastically.

Except for when it comes to stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5aR0OK7MXE.
I'm sure there are other areas in the game where their shields stay at 27-30 percent and taking away the shield resists will make them pop in those situations. But people like you wouldn't care. So the drakes gains some more dps which will make it more effective at blobbing, but because they are in a blob, the dps increase will go unnoticed.


I especially liked the part of the video where he just floated in space and waited for the red bars to fill. I see no reason to take away ones freedom to not have to try.



The gist of eve is this. Some people might have to manually turn on and off a module here and there. Maybe double click in some space.


I hear fleet combat is whole groups of people doing this all at once. It's quite riveting I must say.


Good for them.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-02-11 07:34:10 UTC
Surge Roth wrote:
Even if the drake is compensated for, it still doesn't make up for the fact that what was once possible now is not. And that, is a swift kick in the balls for the poor sap who had nothing to do with a bunch of selfish whiny people who want things their way. As for the topic, I still firmly believe titans are ok. I wouldn't want to fly one, but they should be all powerful considering what they are and how much effort it takes to get one flying properly.


yeah all that effort to build them has ensured their rarity

or not

stop being dumb?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-02-11 07:51:47 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Surge Roth wrote:
Even if the drake is compensated for, it still doesn't make up for the fact that what was once possible now is not. And that, is a swift kick in the balls for the poor sap who had nothing to do with a bunch of selfish whiny people who want things their way. As for the topic, I still firmly believe titans are ok. I wouldn't want to fly one, but they should be all powerful considering what they are and how much effort it takes to get one flying properly.


yeah all that effort to build them has ensured their rarity

or not

stop being dumb?


No one ever said anything about them being rare.
But if you something awful guys want them to be rare, how about you guys build some of your own and then kill a whole bunch of them to make them rare again? Or are you guys just going to continue to gank miners in npc corps in high sec?
Caldari Citizen20110707
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-02-11 09:30:08 UTC
LtCol Laurentius wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
Just wondered if the Titan tracking nerf and stopping them from insta popping sub caps was still going to happen?


Yes

Lets make sure that Capitals cant hit battleship sized targets.

And while we're at it, lets make sure that battleships cant hit cruisersized targets, and cruisers cant hit frigatesized targets. Seems only fair.

In 6 months, all of EVE would be back in frigs. Ah, the good 'ol days.


Roll


i can take on a battleschip with 3 ctuisers... can i also take on a titan with 3 battleships?
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2012-02-11 10:52:46 UTC
BinaryData wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
Just wondered if the Titan tracking nerf and stopping them from insta popping sub caps was still going to happen?
I remember 50 man RR BS and nano gangs but now it's 50-100 Titan gangs thats just mental really


Btw i am asking because i am interested to know not because its a whine - before you trolls happen - I live in low sec where real pvp happens:).


Lmao. A kid whose in low-sec is bitching about titan tracking? Is this forreal or just a troll?


You bitched and moaned about doomsdaying of subcaps, now you're bitching about titans being able to pop sub-caps with regular guns. When the **** will you STOP bitching? Christ, you kids whine more than a nursery filled with infants.


wow you really are a dumbass...which part of this isnt a whine didnt you understand? i have lived in nullsec for many years until i moved to lowsec. Just becuase i live in lowsec doesnt mean i am not interested in eve overall and whats going on. gtfo of my thread and take anger management classes...man there really are many losers in eve...and your sir are one of them
Tore Vest
#86 - 2012-02-11 11:09:07 UTC
I want the old DD back P

No troll.

WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2012-02-11 11:13:08 UTC
So on to the thread and topic

look titans DO NOT take as much effort anymore! I mean these are flying out of the ovens at a ridiculous pace.
Alliances make so much isk from moongold its unreal, they have all the minerals to mine at their disposal. they have hundreds f busy worker bees do this. Its a finely tuned machine now. So stop saying its so hard to build a titan, its not.

Titans have become just a massive pvp ship, its stupid. Titans, Motherships as supposed to be really support ships. The mother! A mother that bares its children, that keeps them safe. Motherships should be massive support ships that can hold tons of ships, ammo etc etc. Like carriers but much much more capacity, and titans really should be like moving home! Perhaps titans should become the carrier of cap ships. Thats how they should of been from the start. But no they had to be made into ultra destruct ships. On movies/books etc factions usually only have 1 or 2 of these beasts, but when you see 50,60,70 i mean seriously! wtf.... its just doesnt make sense... These massive ships have massive guns, they cannot hit small ships. The size of a battleship compared to a titan/ms is a massive difference. Maybe that's the issue, conception titans are actually too big from a design point of view. Silly i know but think about it. Because actualy battleships in 'real life' are pretty big ships.

personally titans should have the cap ship killer capability, but i think their role is totally wrong. These should be like your removal vans. Where you are moving your entire fleet somewhere, they should be carriers of cap ships, and personally the jump drives should be removed. If you want to move an entire fleet there should be a risk to doing that, not just jumped freely in and out of anywhere at an instant.

so carriers carry ships, mother ships carry ships and ammo supplies, titans carry the caps, and perhaps people too!

and yes have DEFENSIVE capabilites not offensive. If you want a doomsday ship then really they should be super limited to say a couple per alliance. because seriously when do you seen 50-100 doomsday type ships in any literature...you dont

Alara IonStorm
#88 - 2012-02-11 11:13:36 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
I want the old DD back P

20 Titans on Grid.

Rocks Fall every Subcap dies.
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-02-11 11:31:57 UTC
When there's a fight, any fight there is always an individual or group of individuals who cannot cope with the fact that they lost. They will say: "I had a back injury going into the fight" or "I didn't think you would fight dirty". The excuses and rampant bullshit coming from losers will always be ever present.

So is it in EVE. Losers want game mechanics to change, not because they are imbalanced but because losers lose. The problem is that it is a slippery slope, because no matter the game mechanics, losers will always find a way to lose. Before titans, losers whined about carriers and dreadnoughts and how everyone blobbed with carriers, and that it was "unfair". Even before that, battleships were "imbalanced" and only "no-lifers who grinded isk for months" were able to get them. And then when they became cheaper the losers whined once more because the "no-lifers" grouped together and had "blobs" of battleships.

The constant pattern of meandering drivel hurf-blurfing out of the inane mind of losers is tiresome. They resort to some kind of misplaced idealism and illusions of "balance", where they really mean that they want the game imbalanced on their behalf, safety-mechanisms in the game so they won't have to deal with the fact that they're losers.

I would give losers the advice to go play another game, but even with some games being like virtual overprotective parents out there, the unfortunate fact is that "loser" is a state of mind, and no changes or game mechanics will change that fact.

You have to change yourselves first.

But that notion is so deeply buried below psychological defense mechanism, denial, projection and self-loathing that probably is impossible. As is this futile attempt at making losers realize that they are.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.

Caldari Citizen20110707
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-02-11 12:06:31 UTC
Surge Roth wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Surge Roth wrote:
Considering the price tag is only one of the factors, yea, it is balanced.
…except that price is not a factor in balancing. Again: price is an easily avoidable factor in availability, which is a completely different thing. So no, costing 100 bil is utterly irrelevant to their ability to instapop a Dominix.

Quote:
There's a reason why they're used by alliances with a lot of people in them.
…except that they're quite easy to come by these days, and that they're not (now, or ever before) balanced for that. The problem is that titans still fall into the “best counter for X ships of type Y is X+1 ships of type Y” category. When this happens, things are inherently broken — no “if”s, no “but”s.

Quote:
But i forget we live in a world where people want instant gratification and disregard how people got the power they have in the first place and just assume it's unfair.
Good job missing the point almost entirely. Roll


Cost is a determining factor because it takes time and some PvEing and/or ganking of high value targets to get that isk. Again, they're easy to come by because people allowed it to happen. The alliances fielding these ships of mass destruction didn't start off with 150 titan fleets. Took em years to make it happen. And any fool who is stupid enough to fly solo in one will part ways with it in no time. They are justified in blowing up your crappy sub cap ships. If they get nerfed and become too weak, then it'll be one of many ships people just don't bother using anymore because they suck. They're suppose to be all powerful. They're suppose to be a pain in the ass to fight.


some northrn regions with tech moons have 800-1200 billion isk income... a month... titan production cost; 45b at 800 billion that is 18 titans a month........
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2012-02-11 12:08:21 UTC
Ok PL guy, put your money where your mouth is. Stop using Titan blobs and lets see how you become one of those losers shall we
Tore Vest
#92 - 2012-02-11 12:18:51 UTC
So.... when a alliance is getting to strong for you.... nerf their supers...

Everything for EVE domination Lol

No troll.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-02-11 12:26:29 UTC
Tobias Sjodin wrote:
When there's a fight, any fight there is always an individual or group of individuals who cannot cope with the fact that they lost. They will say: "I had a back injury going into the fight" or "I didn't think you would fight dirty". The excuses and rampant bullshit coming from losers will always be ever present.

So is it in EVE. Losers want game mechanics to change, not because they are imbalanced but because losers lose. The problem is that it is a slippery slope, because no matter the game mechanics, losers will always find a way to lose. Before titans, losers whined about carriers and dreadnoughts and how everyone blobbed with carriers, and that it was "unfair". Even before that, battleships were "imbalanced" and only "no-lifers who grinded isk for months" were able to get them. And then when they became cheaper the losers whined once more because the "no-lifers" grouped together and had "blobs" of battleships.

The constant pattern of meandering drivel hurf-blurfing out of the inane mind of losers is tiresome. They resort to some kind of misplaced idealism and illusions of "balance", where they really mean that they want the game imbalanced on their behalf, safety-mechanisms in the game so they won't have to deal with the fact that they're losers.

I would give losers the advice to go play another game, but even with some games being like virtual overprotective parents out there, the unfortunate fact is that "loser" is a state of mind, and no changes or game mechanics will change that fact.

You have to change yourselves first.

But that notion is so deeply buried below psychological defense mechanism, denial, projection and self-loathing that probably is impossible. As is this futile attempt at making losers realize that they are.



you sure needed a lot of words to say "hi i'm a no-lifer"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#94 - 2012-02-11 12:44:53 UTC
Stoned Spaceship
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-02-11 13:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Stoned Spaceship
titans?
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#96 - 2012-02-11 13:50:21 UTC
Stoned Spaceship wrote:
titans?


Its not a titan.. It's a templa.... Nevermind.
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-02-11 14:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Sjodin
lilol' me wrote:
Ok PL guy, put your money where your mouth is. Stop using Titan blobs and lets see how you become one of those losers shall we


Richard Desturned wrote:

you sure needed a lot of words to say "hi i'm a no-lifer"



Thank you for proving my point.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-02-11 15:20:22 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
They cost nearly 100billion isk, the least they can do is insta pop your ****** dominix.


Clearly 100bill isn't enough to stop alliances from mass producing them.


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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-02-11 15:22:57 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
They cost nearly 100billion isk, the least they can do is insta pop your ****** dominix.


Clearly 100bill isn't enough to stop alliances from mass producing them.





They are being built faster than they are being killed, so yes, true statement.
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#100 - 2012-02-11 15:54:25 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Just wondered if the Titan tracking nerf and stopping them from insta popping sub caps was still going to happen?
I remember 50 man RR BS and nano gangs but now it's 50-100 Titan gangs thats just mental really


Btw i am asking because i am interested to know not because its a whine - before you trolls happen - I live in low sec where real pvp happens:).

You must be new to blobs online, welcome. More power to players who use teamwork and kiss up to the big dogs at knee level. If you can't beat them, beat people you can, or join them.