Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think the point is that it's supposed to produce a player market for those items in nullsec. I get the impression that CCP's policy regarding null sec markets is that it's predominantly/completely player controlled.

Perhaps if there are people complaining about this you could make a killing by shipping a load into nullsec and selling them at inflated prices.

What if you want ships and equipment? You can't do anything without them and there's hardly anything in 0.0 there should be a player market, but when CCP don't even give players the means to create what they need then the idea is completely pointless.

There is a market in most null sec areas :/ And in places where there isn't a market, get stuff out there yourself and make some ISK selling everything at twice jita price.

Asking for NPC skill books, BPOs etc. in null sec is like asking for stations in WHs, it isn't going to happen and it defeats the point.

Of course stations are locked out to people who are not in the alliance (like yourself) to prevent people from docking up and being market pvpers. Hell I know some alliances that dont even bother with open market orders and do everything on contracts.

If you want to go into 0.0 you are going to need to work with players, I know that might be difficult however it is do-able. There are reasons why people do logistics and organization for alliances, as well as why 0.0 systems near the edge of highsec and sought after to make logistics somewhat easier.

Until you understand that... Jita ---->

It would get people more active, the only problem is obviously it isn't going to get people active that you want playing which seems to be a very select few that only you or your alliance likes. It doesn't surprise me anymore why the amount of subscribers for EVE isn't rising, it's nothing to do with this being a niche game, it's mass douchebaggery.

As for working with players, you'd had numerous posts being made lately about how ridiculous it is trying to get into any of these alliances and the crazy amount of information they require before they even look at you, how do you expect anyone neutral to trade or bargain with them?

There are skillbooks and blueprints seeded in NPC Nullsec, in fact some ships like the Hulk, and Noctis, and several of the pirate ship BPC's can be purchased for ISK/LP if you have the right standings with those factions. Most regions in Sov-Null have markets and infrastructure, sometimes there are even multiple markets.

Maintaining a market in 0.0 takes alot of player activity, logistics, and planning. The larger alliances have thousands of ships and mods on the market, and 0.0 is not nearly the barren wasteland you make it out to be.




Actually there are more active players in nullsec, especially right now with all the moon income driven wars going on. You can do anything in Nullsec that you can do in Empire, just with more risk. Stations are locked to people that are not allies of the people that own the station, this is a strategic asset, and not allowing your opponents to dock forces them to remain in space.

Larger alliances have multiple outposts, with a mulitude of station services available. I live in Fountain and probably have 200 ships scattered about the area (including the Deklein region in allied space).





We actually want 0.0 to be more active, and have smaller entities living in it. Which they do, a constant source of pvp is a good thing for null residents; the danger keeps things fun, without that, its just like living in empire; that being said, Null-sec is not nearly as scary as you would think it is, you just have to get in with the right people.

Many of the alliances in 0.0 (including TEST and GoonSwarm) have extensive newbie training programs and are more then willing to help new players out. Hell in TEST if you say you're a newbro in alliance, you will get half a dozen people send you ISK. Search around for something that fits you and go with it, but please stop judging Null residents when its obvious you've never stepped foot out there.

Considering the shear quantity, the low turn around, and high cost of certain books and BPO, its impractical to ever invest in them to stock 0.0 markets, for all but the largest of largest alliances.

Most people just clone to empire, get skills, come back.

So the ideas of some oddball cool thing to happening, player driven experience is not, you just get people going to empire.

And... what is the point, payers can't produce the stuff anyway, you have to buy it from NPC's so why would you bring it? Add to the obscene numbers its worth it just to import what you need for yourself for BPO's and inject books.

If they want people to be self sufficent, permit it to happen, allow players to create or find own BPOs or books without having to go to NPC station.

Changing this is the best idea, what people are expecting as some justification for keeping it has not happened in years of implementing player owned stations.

I'm guessing he means the null sec corporations that require you to thoroughly explain odd behavior in your corp history, like corp hopping or what your exact role was in certain corps that might be/have been red to them.


I think most of us believe you that you've been to NPC 0.0, judging from your past threads. I think it's also safe after reading the threads you've created to say that you've had quite a bit of difficulty operating there, which is kind of my point when I say that you want 0.0 to be high sec 2.0.

The issue isn't with how difficult it is to get things 0.0, or with how unfair bubbles are, or with how little tank/combat capacity industrials have. It's that you're operating solo in 0.0, without the resources to really function there without difficulty. This is not a bad thing, it is working as intended.

Null is not meant to be somewhere you can just fly into and do what you want, it takes effort, skill and (if you want to do it solo) high SP alts to operate there properly. Making null sec easier and less dangerous may encourage more people to move there, but it will leave older more experienced players bored out of their minds.