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Vagabond vs. Cynabal: what am I missing?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#1 - 2012-02-10 17:53:40 UTC
So what exactly is the point of the Vagabond, if you have all-V skills and the price difference is too small to care about? With similar fits, the Cynabal has the same dps (using light drones), the same range/tracking, better speed, better agility, and better EHP. The only relevant attribute I can find where the Vagabond is better is that it has a slightly lower sig radius and more of its EHP in regenerating shields instead of non-repairable armor/hull.

So: am I missing something, or is the Vagabond really only useful for selling to buy Cynabals?
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-10 18:01:23 UTC
T2 resists and more people will engage it
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-02-10 18:06:18 UTC
The only legitimate use I've found for a Vaga over a Cyna is ratting Sanshas/Blood raiders due to high EM/therm resists.

Apart from that, Cynabal is better in every way. Nerf Angel Straight
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#4 - 2012-02-10 18:08:27 UTC
The Cynabal is ridiculous. Frigate scan resolution. Insane agility. Super fast. It has the fitting to slap just about anything onto itself and keep the largest tier AC.

To the OP - It obsoletes the Vagabond. Rather then mix Minmatar and Gallente traits ala pirate faction, - it takes the Vaga, puts it on steroids, and slaps a Gallente drone bay onto it. Very original. Roll
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#5 - 2012-02-10 18:35:13 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Very original. Roll


Exactly. This is why it's been annoying me, it's such a stupid decision that I was hoping there was something I'd missed that makes it less one-sided.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-10 19:29:17 UTC
Cynabals used to be a lot more expensive then vagabonds so you were putting a lot more isk on the table for basically the same ship that does everything a bit better.

With current prices.........meh fly Cynaball
Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-10 19:37:36 UTC
Prior to the faction pirate redo the Vaga was superior, but then the devs get their Angels hard ones and gave us the redone Dramiel, Cyna, and an even more fierce Mach. The PvE farmers kicked into high gear and we now have the current situation. Rising prieces of T2 building, more supply for faction ships, etc.
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#8 - 2012-02-10 21:13:58 UTC
Vaga is so oldschool and... minmatarish!

Vaga and Cyna are roughly the same. Yes, Cyna is slightly better in some fits, but generally I take them as 1 ship in 2 hulls.

Btw I think that Cyna is fugly (cockroach with bulged face) and Vaga looks much better.
Katalci
Kismesis
#9 - 2012-02-11 02:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
If your gang has logi, use a vagabond. If not, use a cynabal.

Roosterton wrote:
The only legitimate use I've found for a Vaga over a Cyna is ratting Sanshas/Blood raiders due to high EM/therm resists. ]

You can get a decent mining yield out of it, too.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#10 - 2012-02-11 03:46:18 UTC
If you dont care about the price difference get a Cyna.

But I think the price difference is still big enough to get a Vaga.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-02-11 03:51:20 UTC
kyrieee wrote:
T2 resists and more people will engage it


Yeah, pretty much.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-02-11 10:53:20 UTC
cyna can fit artys and make them work

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-11 23:50:33 UTC
If only the Vigilant was at same price than Cynabal I'd probably stop flying Cynas (the WE OC)
Djakku
U Subbed M8
#14 - 2012-02-11 23:53:21 UTC
Drake can crush both ships, why use either? Lol
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#15 - 2012-02-12 00:17:05 UTC
Djakku wrote:
Drake can crush both ships, why use either? Lol


Where you born dumb or do you take daily pills?
Osvaldr Adridian
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-02-12 08:50:26 UTC
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Djakku wrote:
Drake can crush both ships, why use either? Lol


Where you born dumb or do you take daily pills?


Roll

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esc shk
Okay Sax
#17 - 2012-02-12 10:31:34 UTC
Djakku wrote:
Drake can crush both ships, why use either? Lol


You're implying a Cynabal or a Vagabond is gonna even want to get disrupt range of a Drake and that the Drake will catch them
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#18 - 2012-02-12 12:52:47 UTC
Osvaldr Adridian wrote:
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Djakku wrote:
Drake can crush both ships, why use either? Lol


Where you born dumb or do you take daily pills?


Roll


That poor soul talks about a ship that is not part of the subject of the thread.

It be nice if people kept the Drake, Tengu, Winmatar and all other simple minded answers and believes out of threads that do not discuss these things.

In a thread called 'Vagabond vs. Cynabal: what am I missing?' try talking about oh, I dont know maybe the Vaga or the Cynabal and acutally help the OP and others in this thread. Instead of making me type first of all how dumb the original Drake poster was and now how dumb you are for eye rolling it...


On topic repeat, its the an ISK difference I say its big enough to buy a Vaga but if you dont then get a Cyna
Ryuce
#19 - 2012-02-12 15:18:23 UTC
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Osvaldr Adridian wrote:
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Djakku wrote:
Drake can crush both ships, why use either? Lol


Where you born dumb or do you take daily pills?


Roll


That poor soul talks about a ship that is not part of the subject of the thread.

It be nice if people kept the Drake, Tengu, Winmatar and all other simple minded answers and believes out of threads that do not discuss these things.

In a thread called 'Vagabond vs. Cynabal: what am I missing?' try talking about oh, I dont know maybe the Vaga or the Cynabal and acutally help the OP and others in this thread. Instead of making me type first of all how dumb the original Drake poster was and now how dumb you are for eye rolling it...


On topic repeat, its the an ISK difference I say its big enough to buy a Vaga but if you dont then get a Cyna

Because mentioning a cheaper and highly effective ship (when flown by PODLA etc.) is a really bad thing? One might say he made a suggestion outside the box - what a bad man! By all means go full ****** here.

Also, a white knight appears etc.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-02-12 15:35:08 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
So what exactly is the point of the Vagabond, if you have all-V skills and the price difference is too small to care about? With similar fits, the Cynabal has the same dps (using light drones), the same range/tracking, better speed, better agility, and better EHP. The only relevant attribute I can find where the Vagabond is better is that it has a slightly lower sig radius and more of its EHP in regenerating shields instead of non-repairable armor/hull.

So: am I missing something, or is the Vagabond really only useful for selling to buy Cynabals?


actually, the most relevant differences is the agility, 3rd rig slot and the fact that it can fit 425's better with a LSE.

speed difference is actually quite negligible, as in the 1% difference, the larger drone bay, while a good thing isn't really that spectacular (instead bringing a flight of light ECM drones you either bring two or a flight of T2 warriors).


in fact, you can say that the extra you pay for the cynabal is to have better GTFO ability and fittings than the vagabond.

tbh both ships should've had their base powergrid swapped.

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