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The people calling for nerfs
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Clith
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-02-10 15:31:59 UTC
Nerf OP
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-02-10 15:39:02 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
the falcon is fine as it is.

eccm needs a buff though.


Not really. The optimal is now too short. For instance you want to engage a gate camp and counter the numbers by a Falcon what is a classic situation for this combo. Nearly every pirate camp is warfare boosted these days. And if you check the new t2 links tackling is totally overpowered now. A Falcon at 80km will be sniped out, tackled easily, can be probed down with pre-placed probes in 5 secs before you can do anything efficient with your ECM. The old nerf from over 230km to 70-80 optimal was fine but actually the nerf is outdated and needs a buff.
Dr Silkworth
#23 - 2012-02-10 15:45:37 UTC
Looks like a good weekend to sell ecm drones.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-10 16:46:49 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
so basically titan tracking is perfectly balanced because one side annihilates the other unopposed with zero losses

i hope you never have to fight under a cynojammer

No, massive numbers of caps balances the fact that stupid isn't fixable.

"Hey guys, we got a nasty blob on blob planned tommorrow. Make sure you log in."
Next day, 1000 pilots log on mostly with BS. (<-- stupid idea)
Enemy logs in 1000 pilots to counter, mostly BS. (<-- even stupider, cause you caused it!)
To bad no one thought to use Titan sniper fleets Roll...on wait.

Yeah, lag monster is so awesome it just has to be invited to every party. Thank god the Buzzkill titans help remedy that stupid idea. Yeah, CCP can reinforce the node and has improved module lag but as of yet haven't heard positive feedback on its Time Dilation.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2012-02-10 16:48:20 UTC
Calling for nerfs is part of "the game".

I would love to see that stats on from which country most nerfs are called for.

In the USA, calling for nerfs is also part of the real life game. So Americans are quite adept at it. Every new law proposed or clamored for is a kind of nerfing. Affirmative Action laws are a good example of RL nerfing. Criminals (in many cases the criminals are the police) love gun control because it nerfs their victims. Taxation is a means of RL nerfing. So I think most of the calls for nerfs come from the USA because here we eat sleep and drink "nerf the other guy and boost me with new laws" ideals 24/7.

Thank God this game is run out of Iceland.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-10 18:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nephilius
Eve is hard, which is why things must be nerfed. You know, to make things easier.
"If."
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#27 - 2012-02-10 18:38:26 UTC
The word "balance" in the MMO context generally makes me cringe.

In EVE, I loathe it.

We're speaking warfare here. Weapons and technologies specifically made to annihilate one another merrily!

Draw a parallel to the real world since, well, it's from there that all comes from : since when warfare is fair and balanced? In fact, most of the winning process comes from tipping over the balance and OVERPOWERING the enemy.

Ok, ok, it's a game, I know.. some limits need to be applied since resources are much easier to get here and otherwise it would be no FUN.

Still, remember when Japan got a nuke (well, make that two) dropped on them, they weren't happy, it was horrible, but imagine them calling for a nerf...

Let's not forget that, warfare is about who is the most brilliant tactician/executor AND/OR who brings the biggest, meanest guns!

Some situation are just bad, but ya know... I feel no sympathy for those whining about how stupidly hard this game is because someone beat their butt when all they had to bring forth was a water pistol...

Ah ranting sometimes... so sweet :p

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#28 - 2012-02-10 19:30:35 UTC
ECM Drones are overpowered and seem to be able to perma jam anything they damm well like.

Falcons are also currently overpowered and need there range reducing to around 40K you shouldnt be able to jam from 80K it;s just to far.

People who disagree either dont fly small gang PVP or have no balls and dont want to risk there falcon.

A counter argument is that oh falcons can just be sniped out but with transfersal this is rarely the case for anything but the most ******** of pilots.

If have been in fights were a single friendly falcon has perma jammed 5 ships allowing us to walk all over an enemy fleet of larger size than our own.

and before people say oh you dont use them. Yes i do use ECM because as is normal with eve if you cant beat them join them.
Olleybear
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-02-10 19:52:55 UTC
ECM drones, yes, yes they do need a nerf. Its silly when you have a full head of high end jackals to raise the Ladar strength on your rupture and still get jammed by a flight of ec-300 for half the fight. Hell, I've been jammed by a single ec-300 before and I am sure others in this thread have as well.

As for nerfing in general, sometimes it is better to nerf a single ship / ship class than it is to buff all other ships to make up for something that is overpowered.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Anderron Shi
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-02-10 19:56:16 UTC
If you believe something in overpowered, then use it. Eventually the cycle will complete, everyone in the game will be using it, and CCP will rebalance.

Oh, but still, NERF THE IBIS!!

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#31 - 2012-02-10 20:14:23 UTC
Nerf competent piloting.

I'm sick of losing ships to people who are better at space than me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-02-10 20:21:27 UTC
OP doesn't understand how jam stacking works. He really should.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#33 - 2012-02-10 20:51:37 UTC
Why must games be dumbed down for the ******** people?

This is a THINKING Man's game, not a pubbie bitching preteen game.

If you can't use your head, you aren't going to get far in this game.

Neither will you get far in life.


WORKING AS INTENDED.



DEAL WITH IT.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-02-10 21:35:26 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
Draw a parallel to the real world since, well, it's from there that all comes from : since when warfare is fair and balanced? In fact, most of the winning process comes from tipping over the balance and OVERPOWERING the enemy.

Ok, ok, it's a game, I know.. some limits need to be applied since resources are much easier to get here and otherwise it would be no FUN.

A moot point!
In real life, it is naturally possible to develop solutions against warfare techniques. If EVE were real, ECCM would be twice as effective and the base sensor strength of all ships would be larger.
But, since players can't truly 'invent' solutions in EVE, the overpowered game mechanics stay as they are, and the game becomes stale, losing tactical appeal. If there's a ship which excels above all others in its area, then why use the weaker ships?
If CCP decided to make Scorch crystals shoot Scorch bombs, why use anything else?

EVE is a game, so don't treat it like it's not.
Jaren Neraj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-02-10 21:49:33 UTC
Nerf EVE. It's too hard.

And make it bright and fluffy and colorful like HKO.

Thanks
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-02-10 22:01:19 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Nerf nerfing.


and nerf the Nerfing Threads.

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Caldari Citizen20110707
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-02-10 22:52:28 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
One interesting thing is that the people calling for a lot of these nerfs are people who are getting ganked by them, super caps are a prime example, now they're complaining about drakes being OP because they're in the top for getting kills.

It's not usually that they don't know anything about the game mechanics, it's that they know full well about them and want to change them so they benefit more instead of the other side.


ppl that say this are usualy on the recieving end of the stuff you comment on
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