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Basilisk or Scimitar?
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Arrigo Glokta
#1 - 2012-02-10 12:44:49 UTC
Hey hey,

An Alt of mine is currently flying an Onerios. Looking to get into one of the 2 Shield Repping Logis next, but not sure which one to go for....

Currently only got Logistics IV but half way to V.

She will be the only logi pilot in our small fleet. With that in mind, it seems that the Scimitar would be better.

I kind of think 1 Scimitar OR multiple Basilisks. No experience to back this up - is this about right???

Thanks
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#2 - 2012-02-10 12:59:45 UTC
Arrigo Glokta wrote:
Hey hey,

An Alt of mine is currently flying an Onerios. Looking to get into one of the 2 Shield Repping Logis next, but not sure which one to go for....

Currently only got Logistics IV but half way to V.

She will be the only logi pilot in our small fleet. With that in mind, it seems that the Scimitar would be better.

I kind of think 1 Scimitar OR multiple Basilisks. No experience to back this up - is this about right???

Thanks



As I type this I'm sitting on EC- gate as the only oneiros in a 20 man gatecamp.

Personally, I am really glad to have this and not a guardian because that would really suck.

Basically it works like - oneiros/scimitar can run on their own if necessary and jump through a gate if(when) primaried. It's great for giving the much needed support many people don't like to play - you don't get on any killmails with it.

Lets' face it, you won't get 2 in an impromptu fleet of this size.

.
Ernst Volckheim
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-10 13:41:02 UTC
Can someone elaborate on the relative merits of each logistics ship? I would specifically like to know why the scimi and oneiros are better than their counter-parts when they are the only logi in the fleet.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#4 - 2012-02-10 14:05:36 UTC
Ernst Volckheim wrote:
Can someone elaborate on the relative merits of each logistics ship? I would specifically like to know why the scimi and oneiros are better than their counter-parts when they are the only logi in the fleet.


Because they dont need cap transfers to them to remain cap stable. If you dont have any other logis then a basi or guardian needs another ship to transfer to them and since that ship wont have the range bonus to its transfer the logi is now locked in place.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#5 - 2012-02-10 14:15:36 UTC
*Waits for another Liang argument to start*
Ernst Volckheim
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-10 14:24:13 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Ernst Volckheim wrote:
Can someone elaborate on the relative merits of each logistics ship? I would specifically like to know why the scimi and oneiros are better than their counter-parts when they are the only logi in the fleet.


Because they dont need cap transfers to them to remain cap stable. If you dont have any other logis then a basi or guardian needs another ship to transfer to them and since that ship wont have the range bonus to its transfer the logi is now locked in place.


Thank you
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-10 14:32:44 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Ernst Volckheim wrote:
Can someone elaborate on the relative merits of each logistics ship? I would specifically like to know why the scimi and oneiros are better than their counter-parts when they are the only logi in the fleet.


Because they dont need cap transfers to them to remain cap stable. If you dont have any other logis then a basi or guardian needs another ship to transfer to them and since that ship wont have the range bonus to its transfer the logi is now locked in place.



Cap stable is highly overrated for any PvP application.
Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-10 14:45:43 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Ernst Volckheim wrote:
Can someone elaborate on the relative merits of each logistics ship? I would specifically like to know why the scimi and oneiros are better than their counter-parts when they are the only logi in the fleet.


Because they dont need cap transfers to them to remain cap stable. If you dont have any other logis then a basi or guardian needs another ship to transfer to them and since that ship wont have the range bonus to its transfer the logi is now locked in place.



Cap stable is highly overrated for any PvP application.


Unless you are in a smaller roaming gang and you are the Logi pilot while everyone else is just buffered...


Scimi also has the benefit of being very fast for a logi ship and can field a good local tank as well.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#9 - 2012-02-10 15:03:26 UTC
Cap stability might be over-rated, but with most Basi and Guardians, you're talking around 10 seconds of cap, if you don't have an incoming transfer. Not hugely useful.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#10 - 2012-02-10 15:56:05 UTC
Scimmy is also more mobile and ideal for sheild buffed nano roams. Vaga's Cyn's, Drams, Nano Canes/harbi's and so on. Scimmy's are also ideal for LRH gangs. Overall in PvP the Scimmy is the more sought after logistic for shield gangs.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2012-02-10 16:24:10 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
*Waits for another Liang argument to start*


lol, you beat me to posting this.

@the OP, apparently solo-Basi can work well with proper fitting skills/implants (see this thread for the pages of discussion about it)
mama guru
Yazatas.
#12 - 2012-02-10 16:26:12 UTC  |  Edited by: mama guru
The Guardian is superior for armor fleets because armor fleets don't bet on a speed advantage.

The Scimitar is superior for shield fleets because 99% of the shield fleets, even battleship ones tend to aim for a mobolity/speed advantage.


Not to mention the scimitar can easily be fit to permanently run an MWD and 3 large shield transfers.


The above linked setup can't do either. If there is one shiptype Liang can't fly worth for 5 isk it's logistics.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-10 16:50:00 UTC
Basi can easily fit a local repper and rely on cap boosters for solowork. A scimi can't.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2012-02-10 17:00:29 UTC
Arrigo Glokta wrote:

I kind of think 1 Scimitar OR multiple Basilisks. No experience to back this up - is this about right???


No. Quite the opposite in fact. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-02-10 17:41:31 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Ernst Volckheim wrote:
Can someone elaborate on the relative merits of each logistics ship? I would specifically like to know why the scimi and oneiros are better than their counter-parts when they are the only logi in the fleet.


Because they dont need cap transfers to them to remain cap stable. If you dont have any other logis then a basi or guardian needs another ship to transfer to them and since that ship wont have the range bonus to its transfer the logi is now locked in place.



^^ This is only true because that's the most common fitting. Not because its the best fitting for the job in question. Its really something like saying that the Megathron can't deal any damage at 30km because it fits blasters....

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2012-02-10 17:44:04 UTC
mama guru wrote:
The Guardian is superior for armor fleets because armor fleets don't bet on a speed advantage.

The Scimitar is superior for shield fleets because 99% of the shield fleets, even battleship ones tend to aim for a mobolity/speed advantage.


Not to mention the scimitar can easily be fit to permanently run an MWD and 3 large shield transfers.


The above linked setup can't do either. If there is one shiptype Liang can't fly worth for 5 isk it's logistics.


Suggesting a 3 RR Scim when and then saying I don't know how to fly a logi is pretty priceless.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-10 18:24:05 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
mama guru wrote:
The Guardian is superior for armor fleets because armor fleets don't bet on a speed advantage.

The Scimitar is superior for shield fleets because 99% of the shield fleets, even battleship ones tend to aim for a mobolity/speed advantage.


Not to mention the scimitar can easily be fit to permanently run an MWD and 3 large shield transfers.


The above linked setup can't do either. If there is one shiptype Liang can't fly worth for 5 isk it's logistics.


Suggesting a 3 RR Scim when and then saying I don't know how to fly a logi is pretty priceless.

-Liang


Out of sheer curiousity and not an attempt to be cynical, can you toss me a decent Scimi fit with 4 RR? I've always gone with 3 RR + MWD for 0.0 warfare blobs.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-10 18:27:04 UTC
What this thread lacks is fits.

The op specifically outlined the circumstances: an shield logi working as only logi in a small gang.

So, go ahead so we can poke at eachothers fits.

I'll post a shitfit first so you can poke holes and post better ones:

[Basilisk, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Extender II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium Rudimentary Energy Destabilizer I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I /OFFLINE


Warrior II x5
Arrigo Glokta
#19 - 2012-02-10 19:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrigo Glokta
Many thanks for your responses - It seems the opinion is well held that a lone Scimi works best - except Liang - who thinks the opposite but fails (?refuses?) to elaborate as to why...

So , think I will be going for Scimi - but will read with interest at counter-arguments.


EDIT: But as the above poster stated - my particular situation is for a lone shield logi in a small shield fleet. Any further fits (for Basi and Scimi) and comments much appreciated.

Usted es muy simpatico.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2012-02-10 19:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Arrigo Glokta wrote:
Many thanks for your responses - It seems the opinion is well held that a lone Scimi works best - except Liang - who thinks the opposite but fails (?refuses?) to elaborate as to why...

So , think I will be going for Scimi - but will read with interest at counter-arguments.


EDIT: But as the above poster stated - my particular situation is for a lone shield logi in a small shield fleet. Any further fits (for Basi and Scimi) and comments much appreciated.

Usted es muy simpatico.


Its much less a refusal and much more a "I don't want to rehash the same thread that's been had 500 times in the last year". Go read the thread someone linked.

-Liang

Ed: From this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65765 (go read the whole thing)
Liang Nuren wrote:
This was the flagship of the Parsec Flux fleet for a long time:


[Basilisk, Solo Basilisk]
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

10MN Afterburner II
Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Hornet EC-300 x5

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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