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Grayclay
Derp Company
Get Off My Lawn
#1 - 2012-02-10 06:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Grayclay
So, let me get this straight.

I want to build Rapiers. Rapiers make pretty damn good isk per hour with the proper decryptor. However, that isk per hour is only good if the bpc I use to invent is a max run. That max run copy takes 3 days to make one of. So from one BPO, at an invention chance of 30%, I would average 3 t2 rapier bpc's over a month. An entire month.

So is this what I'm expected to deal with in t2 ship production? Should I get 10 bpo's and just fill all my slots with max run copy jobs for the month? Or should I just deal with the minimal profits I make from 1 run bpcs?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2012-02-10 07:05:07 UTC
Grayclay wrote:

So is this what I'm expected to deal with in t2 ship production? Should I get 10 bpo's and just fill all my slots with max run copy jobs for the month? Or should I just deal with the minimal profits I make from 1 run bpcs?


Those do seem to be 2 of the options.

CCP expects you to figure out how to run your own business.

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Grayclay
Derp Company
Get Off My Lawn
#3 - 2012-02-10 07:51:33 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Grayclay wrote:

So is this what I'm expected to deal with in t2 ship production? Should I get 10 bpo's and just fill all my slots with max run copy jobs for the month? Or should I just deal with the minimal profits I make from 1 run bpcs?


Those do seem to be 2 of the options.

CCP expects you to figure out how to run your own business.


Sorry, I'm well aware of the prevailing lack of advice/guidance offered on these forums, I'm just wondering if this is how people do it or if I'm missing something key.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-10 08:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention

Quoting the relevant part, bolding the key bit

Quote:

A successful Invention always results in a BPC with at least one run. Before decryptors are considered, ship and rig T2 BPCs have a base maximum of one run and most other items have a base maximum of ten runs. Some exceptions exist, such as Mobile Warp Disruptors, which have a base maximum of 5 runs. This maximum is modified by Decryptors as mentioned above.

The number of runs on a BPC from a successful Invention is proportional to the number of runs on the input BPC divided by the maximum runs on the input BPC, which is then multiplied by 1/10 of the maximum runs of the output BPC type. The complete formula is detailed below.

This ratio has particular consequences for ships and rigs, where the Max Runs Per Copy on the Tech 2 blueprints for these items is 10, which works out to a base maximum runs of 1. Due to this base maximum of 1, any number of runs less than maximum for the input will get rounded off to zero after the decryptor run modifier is added and before the minimum is applied.

Thus, for optimal number of output runs when inventing ships or rigs, use:

* 1-run input BPCs when not using a decryptor, or using a decryptor that does not modify the number of runs

* Max Run input BPCs when using a decryptor that modifies the number of runs



Up to you to figure out the math which gives you more isk/hour - doing a ton of 1-run bpc no +maxrun decryptor runs or fewer runs where you use a decryptor that gives you additional runs.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2012-02-10 09:02:13 UTC
I buy billions worth of BPC every month. I couldn't possibly make all the copies I use.
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BlueWaffe
#6 - 2012-02-10 13:25:53 UTC
Don't focus on one item or ship. I make some t2 frigates and modules. I can crank out bpcs of 4 modules while I invent the ship bpcs. Later, while inventing modules and making the ships, I work on ship bpc copies.

If the price in rapiers drops or some one floods the market, you are out of luck. By diversifying, you improve your income base and help better protect yourself.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#7 - 2012-02-10 14:56:05 UTC
I suggest getting creative with finding copies. One option is to buy on contracts. Another would be to contract it to someone with a pos to copy for you (maybe in addition to your pos). Another is to buy a few bpos and chain copy que them with alts in low sec stations.

Also I agree with the above that you shouldn't just build one ship. Diversity will help with market swings as well.

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#8 - 2012-02-10 15:26:45 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
I suggest getting creative with finding copies. One option is to buy on contracts. Another would be to contract it to someone with a pos to copy for you (maybe in addition to your pos). Another is to buy a few bpos and chain copy que them with alts in low sec stations.
Or make a thread in the "Want ads and trades" section : "WTB bellicose BPCs max runs".

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Grayclay
Derp Company
Get Off My Lawn
#9 - 2012-02-10 20:46:28 UTC
Oh I absolutely don't focus all my capital on one project at a time. I'm just trying to figure out this whole ship deal while I work on several other market sections. It gets a little overwhelming at times, but I'm working my way through it. I think I'm going to start looking for bpc sellers thanks to you guys :)