Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Any required game mechanic that requires a player to place game requirements before RL obligations is fundamentally broken.

For some things this might be necessary. PvP fleets, for instance, require that the players all be present at the same time or that they not participate. PvP is not a required game mechanic, however.


Since Eve character progression is based on real time passing and not on play time, it should properly have the least dependency on people being able to set aside their RL obligations to participate fully, and many people that play Eve have RL obligations that can keep them away from the game for weeks at a time.


Just because it isn't broken for *you* doesn't mean that it isn't broken.

1. Not broken.
2. Lots of ways. Nobody is updating their skill queue from an army field deployment or aboard a ship at sea. Military folks are an important part of the Eve community. Why should their characters suffer for their dedication to more important things?

Ah, you are overlooking a detail, one I can understand if you don't know many military gamers.

They value their connections to their friends and families. Familiar things they can enjoy together, makes the pain of separation go away, if only for a brief period of time.

Let's say you have a friend, on deployment, who likes EVE. EVE is better than many MMO's in that it is possible to advance your character while not being online to grind, so for someone denied access for extended periods, that is a great thing.

The player get's some R&R time, and is able to get to an internet connection. Laptop get's hooked up, they email a few buddies they have the next 36 hours free, can everyone get together at some point online and hang out.

For those few brief hours, they are with their friends again.

A skill que with a longer run time is possible with my idea. They might log in, able to fly something new, or use the T2 guns. Go do a roam, or a level 4 mission.

Whatever the case, they may be in a virtual world controlling a spaceship made of pixels, but they are also with friends again. You would be amazed at how important that can feel.

They would also benefit from my idea, as pointed out.

We understand completely, it's you that seems to be having difficulty. The reason people talk about organisation and being able to utilise it correctly, is because you use that argument as a basis for change. You can't have it both ways.

No negative repercussions? Are you even reading what I'm posting?
I'll repeat it: Your idea means the queue is extended way beyond the balanced 24 hour limit. Your idea will be adding days or even weeks to the existing queue. That's days and weeks on top of whatever you have training. Neither balanced or a good idea.

You keep trying to make my opposition to this idea, into something greater. It's not. I have quite clearly stated time and time again, why I'm against it. But it is after all your idea and as such, the onus is upon you to give a valid reason why this is needed.

The following reasons are not valid arguments for change:

• I want.
• People are not very good, at organising their time.
• He's going on holiday for a month.
• He's going up a mountain and might not be back in time.

It's not so much "balance" in the "in game" sense that a Mael is balanced against a 'baddon ... or a rifter is balanced against a tristan; but rather that the 24 hour window is "balanced" between "forcing people to log in daily" and "not having enough incentive to log in at all".

Yeah, it would be great to "set and forget" 3 months worth of skill training ... but there's no incentive for me to log in regularly in that 3 month timespan (well, other than corp stuff... but there are those "solo" types). No incentives to log in -- well, then why am I paying $15 a month to not log in? Might as well cancel the sub...

Ahh, conveniently taking me out of context. Meh, I'll answer anyways, even though you used a cheap tactic.
I was answering a person who was claiming they were able to overcome all obstacles by organizing themselves.
I did this by pointing out not everyone could organize to that level. They would need both ability, (clearly not a game requirement), as well as an available skill they wanted to train.

Try to keep in mind, your play style is not the recommended one, BECAUSE there is NO recommended playstyle.

You do not get to blissfully tell people tough luck, try harder, CCP has no reason to appeal to more players in more ways, because I do not see a problem.



And you keep asserting your opinion as the guide for what is balanced. I reject this, on the grounds you have no idea what CCP wants.

You only see the game as it is now, and assume that is exactly what they wanted, and they did not compromise any part of their vision, in particular regarding the que.

Officially, It is not in your authority to declare that my change would make the que too long. We have heard your opinion that it would, repeatedly, but if you have nothing new to add, I would recommend finding a new thread.



Reason for it: It is more useful to more players by changing this one aspect.
As nothing is being removed, it has no negative impact beyond your opinion that it makes the que too long.

Your platform, flipped:

The following reasons are not valid arguments for avoiding change:

• I don't want.
• I am very good, at organising my time. (I deny needing help)
• I am not going on holiday for a month. (I can log in reliably)
• I am not going up a mountain and might not be back in time. (I can log in reliably)

It may be working as intended, but that doesn't mean it is working perfectly well.

It is obviously and significantly broken for an important (if minority) portion of the user base.

You can't use an argument for an idea, then complain it's being used against.

Start posting some actual facts to back up your idea.

I know what they want in regards to the queue, because I've read it. I read it back when the queue was released and refreshed my memory when your bad idea was posted. I'm guessing you've never actually read anything in this regard, but I can see Velicitia has an understanding in this post.

Officially this is a public forum for players of Eve on-line, this gives me authority to post and reply to threads. I am merely pointing out the outcome of your idea. That you're asking for an extension of days or weeks on top of the last skill in the current queue. But instead of posting some facts and figures, your now crying fowl.

Non sequitur, as they are all still not a valid reasons for change.

It's not my opinion, it's fact based on your idea.

Edit: I have to ask. If they are not going up a mountain, why wouldn't they be back in time and how can they log in reliably?

Indeed it was a great addition to the skill sheet and stopped the headache of all the small skills that needed to be trained.

You also remember correctly, the main reason for balance in this regard.

No my argument was as described, you just have trouble reading and comprehending it seems.

Edit: What has your boss got to do with it?