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themaker1971
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-02 05:03:49 UTC
I have a pos currently for my personal research as I am the only one with both access to the pos and also rights.
I keep the BPO's in the corp hangar at station.
If I set up another pos for corp members in another system, is there a way to minimise what naughtiness can be done?
As far as I know, as long as they don't have access to my BPO hangar (I only have rights too), the worst they can do is cancel my jobs.
Confirmations and advice needed please.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#2 - 2012-02-02 06:05:08 UTC
Since you're the CEO, I would strongly recommend (if you've got a spare character slot) to get an alt char in the corp, so you can try setting up titles/roles on that character and see what you can do with them.

If the corp is providing a corp for members use but the corp is going to fuel it etc, then it's fairly easy, they'll need rent factory slot, factory manager, and access to an EMPTY wallet.
Even if the corp labs are set to 0 charge, I think they still need access to an empty wallet division, so just name one something like "Lab Use" and leave it empty.

Have a look at http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Roles_and_access_rights#Other and see if that helps.

I'm pretty sure the worst they can do with the correct roles is to cancel your jobs, bearing in mind should you start building in arrays at the pos, you'll lose the materials if they cancel the job.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#3 - 2012-02-02 06:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Emma Royd
Quick extra, for a member to be able to use research labs at a corp tower, then I'm pretty sure the bpo's need to be either put in the labs physically, or put in the corp hangar in the station, so you really want the tower in the same system as your office, and members will need *some* access to the hangar, but I'm not sure which access.

They'll also need the Scientific Networking skill trained to 1 to use the labs if they're using the station to research bpo's from.


ps, if any of this info is wrong, it's 06:08 and I've not had a coffee yet Lol
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#4 - 2012-02-02 11:02:44 UTC
As an extra protection, you can lock BPOs through a shareholder vote.

Any blueprint they want to research/copy at the POS has to be in corp hangar, but it can be at a different division than the one you use. It means, however, that your corp members can steal each other's blueprints easily.

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#5 - 2012-02-02 15:58:06 UTC
The "1 division per member and 1 wallet per member" approach does work out fairly well in cases where you are only renting out access to the tower slots. Just always use an alt to test what can / cannot be done and use titles to assign roles.

The major risks remain:

- Cancelling of jobs. In the case of invention / manufacture, this means the loss of materials. For the rest (copy/ME/PE) it's mostly just an annoyance in lost time. Do your research/manufacturing in short bursts with no single job running for more then 5-7 days to minimize issues there. Never let someone into the corp that you don't trust (at least mostly trust). If you haven't known them in-game for at least 2-3 months, then it's probably too soon.

- Arrays which don't have corporation tabs are a problem (so the Ship Maintenance Array is trouble). If you do anchor such arrays, make sure that members know not to put expensive items into them.

- People filling up labs/arrays with junk items to prevent usage. Can be difficult to figure out which joker did that since anyone can dump items into any corporate division.

- The CEO/director can still run away with everything. Or perform invisible theft / skimming from the corporation hangars. Encourage members to keep as much as possible in their own private hangars, rather then dumping it all in their division of the corporate hangar.

- Shared wallets for fees can result in theft issues if you are charging for the use of the POS slots. The "1 wallet per member" approach gets around that, but gives you fewer wallet divisions to play with.

The main downside is that it doesn't scale very far. You can't have more then (6) members in addition to yourself before you run out of divisions. And figure on you plus (5) if you want to setup a "common" corporate tab where you put locked down BPOs.
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#6 - 2012-02-02 16:24:51 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
The main downside is that it doesn't scale very far. You can't have more then (6) members in addition to yourself before you run out of divisions. And figure on you plus (5) if you want to setup a "common" corporate tab where you put locked down BPOs.

Lots of good points. But I think you can juggle more members (with limited risk) if you have several offices in system and use the "based at" roles. This lets everyone keep their BPOs in their own hangar, and only the output BPCs are at risk. And then only from the people who use the same division at different stations.

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Hundo Kay
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-02 21:26:45 UTC
If you are looking to keep them away from your stuff, that is easy. Passwords, and access will accomplish that.

Nothing you can do to stop them from messing with your jobs.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2012-02-02 22:40:33 UTC
Jack Dant wrote:
Lots of good points. But I think you can juggle more members (with limited risk) if you have several offices in system and use the "based at" roles. This lets everyone keep their BPOs in their own hangar, and only the output BPCs are at risk. And then only from the people who use the same division at different stations.


Somewhat a workable method, other then the wallet being shared. Which may or may not be an issue.

And it probably helps if your corp has multiple towers across multiple systems (although at that point, maybe you go the alliance route and simply setup 1-2 towers per corporation and split your members across multiple corps). The bigger "research for hire" corps like PUSH might have better pointers in that regard.

(Rumor has it that CCP might actually work on corp UI / roles / etc. sometime in the next 2 years.)
themaker1971
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-02-05 23:50:17 UTC
thanks for the help folks. Big smile
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2012-02-06 18:26:39 UTC
another thing. Members with the research role can do research jobs on bpos that are in hangars they only have read-only access to. Not sure about locked bpos.

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Janus Nightmare
Exploding Kitties
#11 - 2012-02-10 01:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Janus Nightmare
Slightly off-topic and entirely theoretical, but I've noticed that by default my manufacturing array/lab slots are all listed as "Publicly Available" by default. I went through and locked them all down of course, but, in theory, could I take down my shield and allow anyone, even non-corporation members, to access my POS for manufacturing, setting up rental fees, etc to make a little extra isk?

I realize it's an idiotic thing to do and that my tower will get ganked in a heartbeat, but one could do that, right?