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Scars or "Come on, that's not real, stop playing"

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#1 - 2012-02-09 19:45:50 UTC
Such a mundane topic, but it has been at the back of my mind for a while now.

I notice there is a considerable amount of capsuleers with scars on their face, and we do have the technology available to apply so-called 'designer' or cosmetic scars.

Though, I'm curious. Which of you have actual, legitimate scars on your face, and which of you are just wearing it cosmetically?

It goes without saying that the vast majority of individuals who pass through a military career emerge scarless as far as their face is concerned as, you know, we're sort of trained to avoid getting injured in the face, as well as considering modern medicine. The torso and legs also remain the easiest targets, and that's where the occassional plasma burn or bullet wound of mine reside (though showing them off to anyone is no one's business).

Who uses swords and sabres in modern warfare when we have guns to blow your hands off anyway?
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#2 - 2012-02-09 20:01:39 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Such a mundane topic, but it has been at the back of my mind for a while now.

I notice there is a considerable amount of capsuleers with scars on their face, and we do have the technology available to apply so-called 'designer' or cosmetic scars.

Though, I'm curious. Which of you have actual, legitimate scars on your face, and which of you are just wearing it cosmetically?

It goes without saying that the vast majority of individuals who pass through a military career emerge scarless as far as their face is concerned as, you know, we're sort of trained to avoid getting injured in the face, as well as considering modern medicine. The torso and legs also remain the easiest targets, and that's where the occassional plasma burn or bullet wound of mine reside (though showing them off to anyone is no one's business).

Who uses swords and sabres in modern warfare when we have guns to blow your hands off anyway?


Most of us are clones, so there won't be very many 'genuine' scars. But, 'legitimate'?

I got this scar before I became a capsuleer, before I was even aware that I could. I keep it as a memory of who I was and where I've been, though it's not 'genuine' in the sense that this clone hasn't actually experienced the event that caused it.

Which brings to mind another question: how many of us think of our 'original bodies' as different people? Occasionally, I find myself thinking about 'Astrid and what she went through', and it's always made me wonder....

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-02-09 20:04:44 UTC
My eye and the accompanying scar came from a ship boarding action against an imperial navy battleship that had somehow wandered into Covenant space (it was very early in my career as i was no more than a petty officer then and it was many years before i became a capsuleer) apon breaching the bridge the Captain and his lackeys seemed to be reluctant to surrender and in the ensuing melee my eye was lost to a well placed bayonet slash, needless to say the ship was taken eventually and the surviving crew enlightened.

I keep it now as a reminder.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-09 20:42:20 UTC
My dear, not all scars are the results of external conflicts, or are inflicted by others.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#5 - 2012-02-09 21:35:50 UTC
I keep my scar as a memory. Is it the scar on this body the original? It's actually hard to keep track of which body is which, or whether I've lost that body. I don't think so, though.

They all have it, though. I feel consistancy is important.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#6 - 2012-02-09 21:37:44 UTC
Also, I should note that with the easy availablity of cosmetic surgery, clone issue aside, and the relatively infinite amounts of money even the poorest capsuleer is able to bring to bear, all scars are cosmetic, whether they be original and earned or produced and copied.
Kaleigh Doyle
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-09 22:04:49 UTC
I think you're missing the psychological aspect of wearing scars. Intimidation can be an effective method of getting what you want, and being layered in scars and war paint can certainly impact ones preconceptions. Whether they live up to their bark is an entirely other matter, but who needs to fight when you can convince them without ever taking a shot?

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#8 - 2012-02-09 22:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
As many people have pointed out in this thread, many of us display scars as a reminder of how we received the original wound.

I'm sure you're well acquainted with Simca Develon's left eye, and the scar that runs from her brow down over the eye and below it midway into the cheek. The scar she wears today on her clones are a reminder of who she was before the capsule, of the sacrifices she and others like her made. It is a deeply personal and intimate symbol. For the purpose of optical efficiency, of course, she does use a cybernetic eye replacement.

There are some like yourself who believe that disfiguring scars like hers should be excluded with cloning technology.
There are others like me who believe they should be kept as they were earned.

...


Of course there are purely cosmetic scars worn like a decoration for some pilots who've never actually earned a wound to go with it.

Katrina Oniseki

Simca Develon
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-02-09 22:40:18 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
As many people have pointed out in this thread, many of us display scars as a reminder of how we received the original wound.

I'm sure you're well acquainted with Simca Develon's left eye, and the scar that runs from her brow down over the eye and below it midway into the cheek. The scar she wears today on her clones are a reminder of who she was before the capsule, of the sacrifices she and others like her made. It is a deeply personal and intimate symbol. For the purpose of optical efficiency, of course, she does use a cybernetic eye replacement.

There are some like yourself who believe that disfiguring scars like hers should be excluded with cloning technology.
There are others like me who believe they should be kept as they were earned.

...


Of course there are purely cosmetic scars worn like a decoration for some pilots who've never actually earned a wound to go with it.


Very well said love, thank you.

I did at one time have the scar corrected on all my clones, but with that correction...I also lost sight of just who I was and what I stood for. This scar is more than just a scar to me. It's a memory and a memorial.

Je suis le commencement de votre fin.

Le diable prend soin de son proper.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#10 - 2012-02-09 23:04:24 UTC
I would have thought recalling the particularly unsettling memory would have been enough of a reminder, but suit yourselves.
Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#11 - 2012-02-09 23:29:03 UTC
I like my scars I had more though when I was in the navy. Now a days the scars I have are not nearly as large they used to be.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#12 - 2012-02-10 00:44:03 UTC
Oftentimes I wonder why we still bother to have clothes.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-02-10 07:20:31 UTC
Well, I'm sorry to disappoint any curious people, but it's plain to see I have no impressive scars on my face, or anywhere else for that matter but you'll all simply have to take my word on that.

It seems to me that what's already been said is a good indication of possible rationale for keeping scars consistent across our clone bodies. I have to say, I do certainly understand the thinking and the feeling behind the notion of preserving them as a token to remember something about our lives before and during capsuleerhood. I'll even go so far as to say the practice sounds extremely similar to my own reasoning for one of my tattoos. Further I can see that it is not all that different from nearly any other personal choice to honor and remember something important. It may seem superfluous to some, but I'd be willing to bet even the people who find this practice of keeping scars odd are also people who have their own personal tokens of remembrance. A specific holoimage, even a hard copy print, a bit of jewelry or some little bauble, perhaps a random gift or something as mundane as the preferred tool, toy or even a weapon. What I'm trying to say is that, even though it might seem odd, it's really, in effect, no different from any other memento.

And then of course there is what Lady Vitalia might be hinting at. Of course I might be reading too much into the words, so Silas feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but simply put not all people find scars to be disturbing or something to avoid at all. It's not terribly difficult to look around and find some examples of subcultures that actually encourage the accumulation of scars. Some people even seem to take it as far as to pursue it as a form of pleasure, both in a more carnal sense as well as artistically even. Of course there are also those...less than well people who don't seem to be able to justify cutting or burning themselves for any real reason at all.
Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-02-10 07:54:16 UTC
I really don't understand the desire to keep scars and even replicate them across multiple clones. Were I to scar my face--or anything else--I'd likely clear my calendar for a trip to a cosmetic surgeon.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#15 - 2012-02-10 12:39:55 UTC
My original clone has a small scar under an eyebrow from accidentally headbutting a doorjam, but I don't think it's at all visible. Oh, and I nicked myself shaving once with this clone, but again, can't see it.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#16 - 2012-02-10 17:45:22 UTC
I actually had a scar removed upon becoming a capsuleer. I had briefly served aboard a Republic Fleet Rupture as a crewman (specifically an electrician's mate). I was working on a weakening shield buffer and...accidents happened. My face was rather scarred, heh.

I do have a scar with overlayed tattoo, a Mark, on my right hand. This is on all my clones, because the Mark serves as a reminder for past sins.
Vetr Saken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-10 17:57:36 UTC
The only visible scar I've got (that is, the only one I'm willing to show you lot) is the one on my mouth, which I obtained by means of a fight. An actual in-person, physical fight, no spaceships involved, in a less-than-salubrious Caldari drinking establishment. A fight which, before you ask, I didn't win.

Well, I maintain I won the moral argument, but there's only so far that can stretch when you're lying on the floor on the far side of the table from where you started out.

I keep the scar as a reminder of... well, let's just say of several points I want to remember.

As for whether any future clone of mine would have it re-created cosmetically, you'd have to ask her when and if the time comes. I can't speak for anyone but me.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#18 - 2012-02-10 19:54:32 UTC
Some wear scars as a fashion statement or to project a statement of desired character.
But...
Others wear scars on the outside that reflect deep inner scars. These scars travel from clone to clone and are always there, just as the inner pain is always there. That outside mark reminds us of the inside wounds that have shaped our lives.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2012-02-10 19:59:32 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:

Others wear scars on the outside that reflect deep inner scars. These scars travel from clone to clone and are always there, just as the inner pain is always there. That outside mark reminds us of the inside wounds that have shaped our lives.


This.

Sometimes, forgetting why you hurt inside makes the pain all the worse.

Katrina Oniseki

Kaleigh Doyle
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-02-11 07:59:12 UTC
Personally, each new body is a fresh start or as close as I'll get to being born again. Like a blank canvas, the physical marks, tattoos, or piercings I adorn this body will reflect the stage I was at in my life at the time, and disappear when the unfortunate happens. I'm not as lucky as the dead; at least they have the decency to forget when they die!

xoxo
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