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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#81 - 2012-02-09 19:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Larkonis Trassler wrote:
Keep trying Jade...

In the same sense that if you keep an infinite number of monkeys with datapads tapping away for an infinite amount of time one will produce the Pax Amarria if you keep writing your pages and pages of labourious prose and rhetoric you may have a valid point.

FEARLESS. has been contracted to wage war on FRONT and -SF- space assets in and around the Hek area (I see that you have managed to neatly dodge this by transferring your POCOs to a neutral corporation, something which will be dealt with in time). Hardly an unprovoked war. That makes all pilots flying under those banners (and those who provide them with aid) legitimate targets.

I won't bore you with our lengthy RoE but I have given my pilots free reign within the Aemen pocket so as to prevent infiltration by 'neutral' pilots who seek to learn our disposition and those who we suspect of using the remaining Customs Offices which belong to our targets. Note that Aemen is part of the Gallente Federation and not the Minmatar Republic.

On the Customs Office issue. We are not particularly concerned with taxes and income from them for now. Any that we have claimed and still hold at the end of our contract will be turned over to our client. He can then do with them what he pleases.

Our arrangement with Electus Matari is, quite frankly, none of your business. We have abided by and will continue to abide by the terms and conditions they presented to us.


Will deal with this in detail later on .. just quoting for posterity.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-02-10 16:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ry ry
Jade Constantine wrote:
Will deal with this in detail later on

If at all possible, could you deal with it in slightly less detail than usual? Whatever point you're laboring tends to get buried amongst the stale rhetoric and well-worn hyperbole.

On that note, i believe this was Obsidian Front's press release. Have they asked you to act as spokesperson for their alliance, or is it something you've taken upon yourself?

A domineering 'friend' who constantly undermines the obsidian front leadership, as you lead their fleets into the jaws of our guns smacks of the sort of benevolent dictatorships you claim to oppose. At best it is a dangerous level of incompetence.

Were I obsidian front I'd be taking a long hard look at their so-called allies, why they are so quick to publicly make the OF leaders appear weak, and what direction this relationship is taking them.



Deepspace message dispatched from the bridge of my ship, the tapatalk.
Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#83 - 2012-02-10 19:10:00 UTC
ChipMo wrote:
I have to wonder EM, can you not spare a single one of your shady backroom diplomats to at least make some kind of effort to deal with public relations?

It's a pretty straight forward question, why; given your stated aims and aspirations, support and defend a NBSI Merc Corp?

I am genuinely confused.



.... Oh, and before anyone pipe's up with the old 'its none of your buisness, we don't have to justify, we dont care what the public thinks blah blah blah...' I'll just point out you fight for a Republic. A democratic, political republic, such entites rely on a public buy-in to function. If you refuse to nurture that your republic is already lost (Yay!).



The amusing bit is that you are treating something that is almost common knowledge, especially for an organization that has in the past held +5 standings with us, as a mystery.
I am neither a diplomat, nor am I in charge of public relations, but let me clarify something for you. Electus Matari's standard mutual +5 NAP terms are quite reasonable. They do not imply direct support or assistance, +5 from us simply means we will not engage your pilots.
I can say with confidence that the only blues we have that have not agreed to our standard terms are parts of the Minmatar militia, and have been given certain exceptions due to their service for the People outweighing their less favorable actions. We do reserve the right to make exceptions to our standard terms.

That said, you can assume that these particular mercenaries, for whatever reason, have agreed to our standard terms. I imagine positive standings will remain until they either violate those terms, or voluntarily terminate our agreement.
Wotan Rexus
Pawnstars INC
#84 - 2012-02-11 11:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Eshtir
This Gallentean observer is confused.....
My kin has been known to possess diplomatic cunning, but the goals of these proceedings eludes me.

Is it anyones claim, that having a semi-large corporation/alliance, with a large and complex mix of different pilots, backgrounds and moral inclinations (or lack of), would be easy?

Seems like the claims and accusations, are about when, where and how someone pissed someone off, and in that process labeled him/herself hipocrites.
Hipocritical behavior is not isolated to a certain type of person, organization or faction, in my experience. Its rather a general human flaw, that tends to errupt, when we get excited or utillize our feelings, without the benefit of restraint and temperance. To profess that it can be avoided, is naive. Its when the hypocritical action was made on purpose, that judgement strikes hardest. And lets not kid ourselves: We usually know, when a hypocritical line has been passed. We can either chose to ignore it, or learn from it.


Kind regards
A Gallentean fool

Out of character parts removed. - ISD Eshtir

"An expert is a person, that have failed in every aspect, in a narrow field"   -  N. Bohr
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#85 - 2012-02-15 14:52:12 UTC
ry ry wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Will deal with this in detail later on

If at all possible, could you deal with it in slightly less detail than usual?


Certainly.

Matters seem to be resolving nicely.
FEARLESS mercenaries have withdrawn from MATARI lowsec with conflict over.
Negotiations ongoing for resolution of other disputes referenced in this thread.

I apparently am the "devil" of space.
So be it.
Sometimes even the devil makes a solid argument.




The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Johan Marberg
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#86 - 2012-02-16 09:31:13 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
ry ry wrote:
[quote=Jade Constantine]Will deal with this in detail later on

I apparently am the "devil" of space.
So be it.
Sometimes even the devil makes a solid argument.



Jade I don't know why you might find it surprising that some people don't like you.

I mean there's nothing like butting in to a private disagreement and telling everyone what you think they should be doing to really get peoples backs up. Reacting to disenting opinions in a vaguely affronted way because the fools simply will not acknowledge your genius and vision (the nerve of them - insects!) also tends to help people who previously had no contact with your lovely self to form a negative opinion.

Just saying.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#87 - 2012-02-16 09:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Johan Marberg wrote:
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Jade I don't know why you might find it surprising that some people don't like you.


I don't.

The human mind is capable of fabricating offense in any situation one can imagine. None of this is in the least part surprising or news. Still I think you were most honest in those comments you made in local a couple of days ago reposted on the kill of your destroyer listed on the Obsidian Front public combat database.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Yuzuki Ayako
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-02-17 18:49:35 UTC
In my humble opinion, this world that we all call our home would be a better place if more people followed the example made in the first post.

I salute you, Ynot. You are a good man.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#89 - 2012-02-17 20:43:15 UTC
As the mess seems to be mostly over, let me add this as an Electus Matari PR person:

We never have and never will do any sort of diplomacy or standings negotiating on public forums. While we are open to discussing policies in general, we do not engage in public arguments about any specific standing of ours. We will occasionally step up to correct false information about us or other people's dealings with us, but very often we leave even such things alone. We especially tend to refrain while negotiations in private are ongoing, as experience suggests that such public displays rarely promote mutual understanding and benevolence.

Our actions are our best PR. You do not have to like us, but if you know us at all from anywhere else except IGS, either as an enemy or as an ally, you know that we have our principles and we stick to them - even if it is not always good for our public image or to the liking of our blues, and even if sometimes getting to the bottom of things to make an informed decision takes more time than hotheads and agitators would like.

I could go into correcting the multiple misunderstandings and misrepresentations in this thread, by both allies and rivals, but frankly, I cannot be bothered. See you all in space,

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Electus Matari
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#90 - 2012-02-23 14:48:31 UTC
Yuzuki Ayako wrote:
In my humble opinion, this world that we all call our home would be a better place if more people followed the example made in the first post.

I salute you, Ynot. You are a good man.


Thank you, let me salute you back O7

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".