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***Updated*** Silent Doger (Still playing) of Red Alliance admits to RMT

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Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-02-09 17:36:14 UTC
CCP will investigate per their numerous dev posts, promises, and such.

And do nothing.

Learn to game the system and have more (free) fun in Eve Online.
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-02-09 18:53:35 UTC
Minabunny wrote:
So he had some monetary problems and his mother was ill. If he used a game to increase his income to help his mother good on him. Family before pixels.


Are you serious? A real job was too much for him so he quits and decides to play a video game to support his ill mother... Oh, and don't forget the bit about liking the power and can't take someone else telling him what to do. In eve he's a somebody, IRL he's a nobody. We know which he chose.

Sorry mom.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#83 - 2012-02-09 19:04:04 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
"My character isn't very good at obeying others. So, after three (3) months I quit the job..."

He's talking about himself in real life. Is he playing a character at work? Sounds like he's talking about roleplaying in a game.

I'm surprised he didn't comment that the graphics weren't very good at work.

A big alliance leader who can't get his act together in real life? I nearly died of not surprise. Roll


some of the russian translations can come out with a different perceived meaning in english because of the use of the words.
in this case "character" in russian vz english is probably referring that his personality doesnt respond well when being ordered around in a RL work environment. you know, cause is is leet leader and all
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#84 - 2012-02-09 19:05:50 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
mechtech wrote:
Anyone involved in RMT (selling or buying) should be permabanned without a second chance.


I agree with this if you include everyone who ever bought or used a PLEX


oh get over it. PLEX for CCP profit is good support for the game. ISK for RL cash that doesn't support CCP/EVE is NOT the same thing. get realz now
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-02-09 20:43:56 UTC
Looks like somebody forgot about CCP's track record on dealing with whistle blowers..... bye bye op.

ATX: The best of the rest.

Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#86 - 2012-02-09 21:07:36 UTC
What is RMT?

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

Liam Mirren
#87 - 2012-02-09 21:47:43 UTC
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
What is RMT?


Russian Money Temptation.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-02-09 22:36:16 UTC
adopt wrote:
INB4 LOCK

Also what russian alliance doesn't RMT/bot.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-02-09 23:23:42 UTC
CCP's response:

In Soviet Russia, our logs they show nothing. Roll
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#90 - 2012-02-10 02:15:12 UTC
I don't know.. maybe you should try living there before you judge him for doing what he did. The fact that it harms the game economy when it is done through botting, and enables various playstyles that wouldn't normally be available is relevent, but only so much.

Yes, it is against the ToS, ULA, and so on, but he is honestly explaining himself and doesn't seem to take any pride in what he has done. He's rationalized it, accepted it, and is perfectly willing to accept a ban if it comes to that. He didn't want to play anymore anyway.

The fact that he took the Alliances ISK is rather interesting, and who knows how all that worked out, but also sort of irrelevent.

Fact is, CCP will either ban him or not, depending on what they make of this, and we'll maybe never know. What I do know, is that despite seemingly being defensive towards the end of that conversation, he was mostly apologetic in tone. Basically, what I got, (if that translation is entirely accurate), is a truthful confession and apologetic tones.

I have a friend I work with who grew up in Bosnia, and lost his father and Uncle during the war to prison camps. They only recently found and identified his Uncle, and even more recently his father. He actually worked for the UN during that period and told me about a lot of stuff that happened there.

It's not far from Russia, and close enough that I recognize some of the words from hearing him talk on the phone with his kids and family. Russia has seen much of the same over the years, and things aren't much better there now, than they were years ago. Living here it's easy to misunderstand that.

In the end, EVE is just a game, and I understand that some might see it as a way to help them in their personal lives given specific circumstances. That doesn't mean I like RMT, or that I wouldn't judge someone who used it for nothing more than personal flash. It's just harder to think poorly of someone that uses it for other reasons.

It does **** me off that Americans do it.
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Marcus Harikari
#91 - 2012-02-10 02:19:14 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
I am not sure I trust a translated transcript of a voice chat. That said I would like to remind CCP of two things:\

1. US anti-online gambling laws clearly say that while money in is OK (microtransactions) money out is not. The US government can and has had credit card companies and paypal refuse to make payments to offshore casinos.

2. Every time there is a cash out in EvE it opens up question about the taxation of virtual assets. Allowing RMT places all players in danger of RL tax consequences for playing EvE.

It might be better if CCP simply altered its terms of service to allow alliances to incorporate as non-profits and pay their leadership.

EVE isn't gambling. It's skill-based.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-02-10 02:45:26 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I don't know.. maybe you should try living there before you judge him for doing what he did. The fact that it harms the game economy when it is done through botting, and enables various playstyles that wouldn't normally be available is relevent, but only so much.

...

I have a friend I work with who grew up in Bosnia, and lost his father and Uncle during the war to prison camps. They only recently found and identified his Uncle, and even more recently his father. He actually worked for the UN during that period and told me about a lot of stuff that happened there.

It's not far from Russia, and close enough that I recognize some of the words from hearing him talk on the phone with his kids and family. Russia has seen much of the same over the years, and things aren't much better there now, than they were years ago. Living here it's easy to misunderstand that.

In the end, EVE is just a game, and I understand that some might see it as a way to help them in their personal lives given specific circumstances. That doesn't mean I like RMT, or that I wouldn't judge someone who used it for nothing more than personal flash. It's just harder to think poorly of someone that uses it for other reasons.

It does **** me off that Americans do it.


What the ****, Bosnia's past is nothing like Russia's present, and shared linguistic traits have nothing to do with it besides. I take it you live in Russia, but you apparently have a victim complex. Don't paint all Russians with the same shitbrush and justify *some* people's regrettable behavior by saying "But life is haaaaaaaard baaaaw!" Hmmm, I wonder how all the Russians that aren't playing EVE managing to survive. They must be a lie.

Fact: life in Russia currently is nothing like what went on in the Balkans (putting aside contested republics which are a minority and geographically limited to one region). Yes, a lot of people in Russia are under much greater financial strain than, say, in the US despite the meh economy in the states right now, yes, jobs can be hard, yes, a lot of people live in tiny apartments, don't have a car because it's just not worth the expense, etc. But OH HEY. The lol-RMTer had a job (that he didn't like, lolololol, welcome to the world of grown-ups?), bought a car he couldn't afford, etc. A sick mother isn't the only thing in this story. The guy seems to have issues and might benefit from professional psychiatric help. Don't blame Russia for that. It sure does sound like an excuse rather than a reason, and you sound like an RMT apologist that likes to see victims everywhere.

(Hello, I'm Russian and I don't RMT)
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#93 - 2012-02-10 03:25:31 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
...

I can see where your getting at.

However, I would only feel any sort of anything for the dude if he went all the way and turned in every one of his partners in "crime".


Though that would be a great in game headline. "RMT ring caught, 70 accounts banned."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#94 - 2012-02-10 05:40:37 UTC
Holy freaking cow.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-02-10 08:20:42 UTC
there is already RMT in this game, fully official PLEX deal.

what he did is basically stealing money from CCP. the people who buy ISK other than from official CCP site via PLEX are giving the money they would otherwise give to CCP to some other people.

other than that, it makes no difference for the game.
JustScout
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-02-10 11:07:41 UTC
Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#97 - 2012-02-10 12:06:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Chiggy W
JustScout wrote:
Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???



I doubt CCP will acknowledge this thread, let alone take any sort of action. RMT is NOT legal, it's against the TOS and EULA, however it seems to most people that CCP have very little interest in actively hunting and banning/punishing those involved in this.

It's certainly a problem, as botting/RMT seems to be becoming more widespread ingame, partly I'm sure due to lack of perceived action from CCP. As long as CCP continues to stay quiet on the subject of botting and RMT, the problem will continue to spread. Just look at the amount of "players" in Jita spamming the same scam contract every 2-30 seconds 23/7. Stuff like this should be easy to spot and act against, but I really don't think CCP has the will to fight.

They really need to start posting further evidence of the fight, not just "everything is cool, we've got it under control" because it's obvious to almost anyone who spends time in Jita, 0.0 or icebelts that it isn't .
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-02-10 12:15:51 UTC
Chiggy W wrote:
JustScout wrote:
Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???



I doubt CCP will acknowledge this thread, let alone take any sort of action. RMT is NOT legal, it's against the TOS and EULA, however it seems to most people that CCP have very little interest in actively hunting and banning/punishing those involved in this.




A self confessed RMTer might be a different story. But you are right CCP won't tell us their actions.


There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-02-10 13:25:30 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I don't know... it is against the ToS, ULA...but he is honestly explaining himself and doesn't seem to take any pride in what he has done. He's rationalized it, accepted it, and is perfectly willing to accept a ban if it comes to that.
It does **** me off that Americans do it.


So what I'm getting from your post is so long as the perpetrator is apologetic, remorseful, has sick family members and does not live in the US, then RMT perfectly acceptable?

RIght.

Personally, I really don't care about RMT. I don't. I think CCP should capitalize on it and I think they do. I also believe they are hypocrites and deny the rest of us what could be fair game play because we want to follow the "rules" and be good customers. I believe that what we have is a group of people who RMT with CCP's blessings perhaps getting a cut of the profit or perhaps friends of CCP C-level employees who get the blind eye.

About SD, 1) you don't know if he even has a mother. You're gullible! 2) I can guarantee you he is not remorseful if he is or has done it and gotten away with it. 3) If he is stating this now and "doesn't care" it's only because he is/was making buttloads of RL money and has moved onto bigger better things.

Don't ban me, bro!

Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-02-10 14:49:46 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:

There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.

so everyone who ever bought a PLEX in CCP store and then sold it for ISK should be banned? i bet it's quite easy to catch lots of them too.