EVE General Discussion

I feel as if it is important to point out that the ~100m an hour stat tossed out as a banner for the nerf herders to hide behind can only come about with perfect conditions. In order to make 100m an hour per player in high sec, you need:


1) Exactly 10 people

2) Condition 1 + the proper ratio of damage and logistics (3 logi 7 dps). Any deviation will hurt the group.

3) A perfect solar system to run vanguards in. When the systems get too crowded, people will contest the sites and that 100m an hour be comes 45m an hour very quickly.

5) A dedicated fleet. People have to sit there for an hour. No bio breaks, sodas, nor food. Otherwise there's a delay and the 100m/hr is off.

6) A fleet commander has to be competent. If (s)he doesn't know what they're doing, they mess up the 100m an hour.

7) Capsuleers with skills good enough to do enough dps and healing in a good amount of time.

8) No outside geifers. This is Eve.

So yes, it is possible to get 100m/hr our more. But often, this is not the case. Frankly, because of the promise of the 100m/hr high sec incursions are over crowded with farmers and balance themselves out. Yes, the number of sites vary based on the number of peeps in system, but only so much. If there are 10 fleets in a system, there won't be 10 incursion sites.

I should also mention that it can take a good bit of time to get a fleet going. With missions, null sec ratting, and exploring, you can immediately go and make isk. During odd times, it can take an excess of 2 hours to get a fleet started. So please factor in wait time to the 100m/hr you guys throw out there.

No, they require to not post on these forums at all. Because they don't want to be defaced by ship toasting members. People like you circumvent this by using alts.




Why should they keep average dime-a-dozen subcap pilots who are not loyal?




I have to have been lucky, I played in 2 different 0.0 alliances and in both of them there was respect for everyone including me joining in a Rifter / Rupture / Cyclone / 'cane.

Most of all, in those 0.0 alliances I have never been crapped in face like the elitist incursions FCs do to newbs.





- You don't get "funds" by joining a 0.0 alliance, even hi sec L4s yield more for a subcap pilot.

- You don't usually get to build anything in a 0.0 alliance, their facilities are usually restricted and anyway you won't build your crappy cruisers (because you came to make funds, no? So you don't have tens of billions on hand) while the facilities are needed to build supercaps.

- If you wanted to fight without the hassle of 0.0 CTAs and burdens you could have joined one of the dozens 0.0 PvP corps without Sov or fully PvP / roam oriented.

Now now, don't lie to these nice people.
100 m an hour need good conditions.
150 m an hour need near-perfect conditions, such as only NCO's straight on for an hour without competition where my 11 man fleet rocked the world.

Kind of hard to make such when you use a fake logi fleet Ammzi.

Someone is jealous that he never did 15 sites in one hour ....
If you truly believe 10 sites an hour are PERFECT conditions for a vanguard fleet you are more delusional than I feared.
What I am saying ... of course you are delusional.

By the way, I can now live happily ever after. The nullsec overlords paid me plenty for the rest of my eve existence.

rather do 12 and be able to beat anyone and anything. :

edit in normal gear.

Increase ISK supply by incursions only affects people who acquire ISK from the magic Eve fairy directly through other means, L4 is one example, though obviously not purely ISK.

If you fund your PLEX through acquiring items from the Magic Eve Fairy, like minerals, deadspace mods, bpcs, LP, then increase ISK supply doesn't affect you. Sure a plex costs more, but since inflation is basically universal, those items you sold got you more ISK.

So basically, incursions are kind of neutral, they just make all the numbers bigger.
And yes, somebody is about to come along and say that something fluctuated more than something else therefore I'm wrong. But that's really their fault for not understanding what I actually said.

Wait, you got a triple figure stack of PLEX and you don't have a clue what is causing the rise of the PLEX price???

Just because you think in such an antagonist "me vs them" way I would never accept one like you in an alliance.

When I played, expecially in Dark Rising, we were all team mates, many became friends.
Nobody cared if there were moons or whatever behind, because all we'd see was pure pew pew and other teamwork activities.
If our ships blew up while PvPing we'd get free replacement including fitted capital ships.
If someone gets rich with moon goo while we have fun blowing sh!t around, who cares.

I can't believe you are in a 0.0 corp, your mentality is WAY too hi sec mindset, closed on itself and looking at others profits that don't regard you.




I can fly capitals it's still the same.




Yes, the FCs of the less ISK making incursions are lenient. The others are a mirror of your nightmare 0.0 elite jerks.




So, from "subcap pilot" now we are gonna talk of carrier / SC farming maybe?

2 logi, 8 shiny BS DPS, off-grid booster, running sub-3 minute OTAs including travel time and jumps between systems. Yes, a disconnect might cost you a 15B ISK nightmare if people aren't paying attention, but that's a risk people are willing to take. 3-minute OTAs equates to about 200M ISK/hr. For that kind of return on investment, it's well worth the cost of carrying nanite paste and overheating those reppers and shield hardeners.

The key, of course, is to contest OTAs that other people have started. With fewer HP left to shoot through in order to complete the site, the shinier, less compassionate fleet has the advantage. You can shave 30s to a minute off each OTA, raising the income to 300M ISK/hr.