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PVP Cyclone, Opinions Please

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#1 - 2012-02-08 17:02:33 UTC
[Cyclone, Buffer Web Clone]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x3


Basically, PVP Cyclone, like a cane but with better tackle capabilities.

45K EHP, which is Nano-cane territory.

579DPS Without Warriors
659 With (749 Turning up the heat)
1434m/s (2039 on heat)

5x Warriors 3x EC-300 (for legging it)

Nice alternative to the cane, and good complement to a group of them, even swapping the disruptor for a second web can be nice in larger gangs.

Little bit more diverse than a Cane with the warriors and web I would say. Less DPS admittedly but not by much once you factor in the drones.

Works solo too, a little squishy for gate guns probably.

(Oh and Cyclones look more engageable, and are sexy)
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-02-08 17:12:25 UTC
Can't kite like a Nano Cane or even intercept targets as quickly nor does it have Neuts or you give up the extra Dmg for them and it is shorter range which hurts you in gang situations but makes an admittedly good brawler. I use something similar from time to time.

The good thing is it is cheap especially with the recent rise in prices. A 20mil Hull equaling around 40 mil fit out is a good price for the package you are getting. I prefer to fit mine with more Buffer honestly though instead of a Web but both are good.

The Ship is very easy to underestimate if you let her close range.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#3 - 2012-02-08 17:18:40 UTC
Yeah its cheaper which I like, its also a lot easier to get fights because you know... its a Cyclone.

Watching a Ferox and a Cyclone fight is like watching the two really short kids fight in the playground, they may look short, but they will melt your face.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2012-02-08 17:40:56 UTC
I ran a cyclone fit like this for years, worked great.

-Liang

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#5 - 2012-02-08 18:13:53 UTC
I wouldn't use Hail in there, unless you're shooting a battleship. 425mm guns have poor tracking for ACs as is, and the Cyclone doesn't get a tracking bonus. Use faction ammo of the right type against your enemy's tank, and you'll go farther.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#6 - 2012-02-08 21:04:00 UTC
Looks just like the one you posted on BC sharptoast.
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#7 - 2012-02-08 21:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahrieman
For a cheap BC, the cyclone does it's job well. Be careful about overestimating the paper dps that EFT/PYFA gives you. For this reason, I would rock a TE instead of the third gyro. Personally, I wouldn't fly a cyclone without a neut.

Also, active cyclone can be a lot of fun. You should try it out if you feel comfortable with the micro involved in managing an active tank.

EDIT: I find TE especially useful when rocking 425's.

Solo Rifter since 2009

Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#8 - 2012-02-08 21:23:46 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:
For a cheap BC, the cyclone does it's job well. Be careful about overestimating the paper dps that EFT/PYFA gives you. For this reason, I would rock a TE instead of the third gyro. Personally, I wouldn't fly a cyclone without a neut.

Also, active cyclone can be a lot of fun. You should try it out if you feel comfortable with the micro involved in managing an active tank.

EDIT: I find TE especially useful when rocking 425's.



I run a Dread Guristas LSB fit which I dont have to hand, but its fairly similar and a lot of fun til you run out of cap boosters.

And I want neuts but at the same time, eeking DPS out of a Cyclone is like pulling teeth, I kinda want those Assault missiles.

Was thinking pulling a Gyro for a nano, its as fast/manueverable as a 1 nano Cane without so could be nice.


Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-02-08 21:34:22 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Ahrieman wrote:
For a cheap BC, the cyclone does it's job well. Be careful about overestimating the paper dps that EFT/PYFA gives you. For this reason, I would rock a TE instead of the third gyro. Personally, I wouldn't fly a cyclone without a neut.

Also, active cyclone can be a lot of fun. You should try it out if you feel comfortable with the micro involved in managing an active tank.

EDIT: I find TE especially useful when rocking 425's.



I run a Dread Guristas LSB fit which I dont have to hand, but its fairly similar and a lot of fun til you run out of cap boosters.

And I want neuts but at the same time, eeking DPS out of a Cyclone is like pulling teeth, I kinda want those Assault missiles.

Was thinking pulling a Gyro for a nano, its as fast/manueverable as a 1 nano Cane without so could be nice.




The cyclone will never be perfect in all regards, but like many minmatar ships, you have a lot of freedom in how you choose to fit and fly it. Most active tankers will always have to consider the amount of cap boosters in their hold, but that's just part of active tanking. It's not a unique concern to the cyclone.

3 neuts is overkill on a cyclone. I don't know if that's what you were thinking or not, but 1 med neut can make a big difference in terms of survivability when some fast ***hole frig tackles you. Nano cyclone is viable, but cane just does that so much better. Flying the cyclone, I like to fit mine for a brawl.

Solo Rifter since 2009

Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-02-08 21:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
What about standard assault missile launchers for dealing with frigs; obviously not as much damage against cruisers and BCs as the HAMs, but it'd still be damage.

NOTE: I'm still working on getting into Tech 2 Medium ACs.

[Cyclone, Twister (PvP)]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

425mm Medium Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Fury Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Fury Light Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hornet EC-300 x3
Warrior II x5

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-02-08 21:52:22 UTC
I wouldn't troll anyone for flying either fit. Maybe I would, but that's just cus I troll. Whatever fit you choose to run on a cyclone, you just have to remember what you had to sacrifice to make it work and then pick favorable engagements.

The second fit would have a harder time soloing other BC's, but would have higher survivability against most smaller stuff. See what I mean Smile

Solo Rifter since 2009

Daniel L'Siata
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#12 - 2012-02-09 14:36:18 UTC
One huge advantage of the Cyclone is that you'll actually get fights. Quite a lot of them actually.

I also wouldn't fly a Cyclone without at least one neut, otherwise bad things happen. Also agree with dropping a gyro for a TE, but that's more a taste related matter I think.
Simca Develon
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-09 15:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Simca Develon
Ceph's fit is pretty much what I use. Only difference is that I mix Med and Small drones just because lol. Think it's 2 Valk and 3 Warrior or 3 and 2 can't remember off hand and don't have any fitting tools at school.

Cyclone is fun for getting fights and in random brawler gangs just for something different to fly around in. The whole TE/Gyro thing is more of a personal taste matter. I've flown a few different variations as far as my low slots go and they are all about the same just depends on what you want/feel more comfortable with.

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