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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2841 - 2012-02-09 01:09:17 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.

Yet the designers though mentioning "erm you have a hanger to put stuff in" while not promoting, advertising or listing space Barbie as a feature at all.


Oops, forgot to add

ESD = The Eve is a SciFi simulation Denier

This is usually a forum troll that waste everyones time confusing the promise of ambulation in Eve with a dislike of Eve or spaceships. These can usually be quickly identified by their frequent confusing the NeX and Incarna with ambulation, the repeated use of "Space Barbie" in their rants and their denial of CCP's repeated claims that Eve is a SciFi simulator. They will often claim that only they know how Eve should be played and what CCP should focus on.

Another sure sign that someone is a ESD is they claim work on ambulation was what kept CCP from adding FiS content when it was actually work on other games.

Issler
Jita Alt666
#2842 - 2012-02-09 01:14:29 UTC
It is good to know that CCP have not shut the door on my space barbie.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#2843 - 2012-02-09 02:03:40 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.

Yet the designers though mentioning "erm you have a hanger to put stuff in" while not promoting, advertising or listing space Barbie as a feature at all.


Oops, forgot to add

ESD = The Eve is a SciFi simulation Denier

This is usually a forum troll that waste everyones time confusing the promise of ambulation in Eve with a dislike of Eve or spaceships. These can usually be quickly identified by their frequent confusing the NeX and Incarna with ambulation, the repeated use of "Space Barbie" in their rants and their denial of CCP's repeated claims that Eve is a SciFi simulator. They will often claim that only they know how Eve should be played and what CCP should focus on.

Another sure sign that someone is a ESD is they claim work on ambulation was what kept CCP from adding FiS content when it was actually work on other games.

Issler



I think everyone can somewhat agree that ambulation in the future would be great for eve.

The issue is that right now it deserves 0 resources because the core of the game, the game that we all signed up for, is still in dire need of a myriad of overhauls. And yes, right ow FiS IS the core of the game so please spare me the 'simulator' **** until the EVE experience actually backs that up.

CCP can and should revisit ambulation in ~5 years when eve is on firm ground and the tech can actually support it.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2844 - 2012-02-09 04:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Flamespar
Zirse wrote:

I think everyone can somewhat agree that ambulation in the future would be great for eve.

The issue is that right now it deserves 0 resources because the core of the game, the game that we all signed up for, is still in dire need of a myriad of overhauls. And yes, right ow FiS IS the core of the game so please spare me the 'simulator' **** until the EVE experience actually backs that up.

CCP can and should revisit ambulation in ~5 years when eve is on firm ground and the tech can actually support it.


Fortunately. CCP does not share your view - that we should wait 5 plus years for Incarna. Nor do many players.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#2845 - 2012-02-09 08:46:05 UTC
lol ok.


I will be waiting here with my told you so.
Fuee
Doomheim
#2846 - 2012-02-09 09:26:29 UTC
CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2847 - 2012-02-09 10:54:55 UTC
Fuee wrote:
CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets.


It's very hard to figure WTH is going on with CCP and WiS. Turns out now there are 60 devs working on WoD, plus we got Team Avatar, plus the new website strongly relies on avatars (even if they wear customization options unavailable ingame), plus the new website doens't even mention CQs or WiS at all, plus the only non-nullsec CSM candidate with a serious option to enter CSM7 comptetely dismisses WiS.

Add the ultimate necessity of launching DUST 514 as a part of the summer expansion, which means that right now an undetermined amount of devs are in Full Dust mode, and well, puzzlement ensues. Looks like CCP is playing to spin plates and nobody knows wether the audience will say "wow" or will watch a splenderous crash... or wll begin shooting at the plates.
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#2848 - 2012-02-09 11:23:44 UTC
Fuee wrote:
CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets.


The door is that way >>>
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2849 - 2012-02-09 11:33:18 UTC
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
Fuee wrote:
CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets.


The door is that way >>>

Yeah, but it says that the atmosphere isn't conditioned for capsuleers yet. That is the damn problem! P
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#2850 - 2012-02-09 11:40:38 UTC
Hears my one big problem with walking in stations. Ill never do it, for roll play reasons.
In the chronicles and fluff it's pointed out multiple times that the devise that transfers our mind to a new clone is part of the pod, deep frys our skull, and is kinda large.
As WiSi is now there was no explanations to any of my questions about safety, one not in a pod. Why would I leave it and get dressed and pretend to be human, and put my self at risk!
And to top it off most regular humans are at best uneasy around pod pilots, and most pod pilots are richer than some hole planets.
So why would I even want to walk around with the common filthies? Putting my life and Isk at risk to feel like a normal human again?

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Eve Is Real
#2851 - 2012-02-09 11:51:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Is Real
FiS > WiS but both would be nice.

Experience and reason for CSM7
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2852 - 2012-02-09 11:58:17 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
As WiSi is now there was no explanations to any of my questions about safety, one not in a pod. Why would I leave it and get dressed and pretend to be human, and put my self at risk!
And to top it off most regular humans are at best uneasy around pod pilots, and most pod pilots are richer than some hole planets.
So why would I even want to walk around with the common filthies? Putting my life and Isk at risk to feel like a normal human again?

Absolutly right. So we need good reasons to leave the safety of our Pods. But it seems that cloning technology has advanced considerably when I think of Dust 514. I could be wrong... anyone read any lore about the Dust 514 clones?
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#2853 - 2012-02-09 14:39:28 UTC
Oh god, 143 pages? By the time I finish reading 1-143, this thread will have probably gained another 50-100 pages.

Adapt or Die
Eveliy
Coronize
#2854 - 2012-02-09 14:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Eveliy
Arcathra wrote:
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
As WiSi is now there was no explanations to any of my questions about safety, one not in a pod. Why would I leave it and get dressed and pretend to be human, and put my self at risk!
And to top it off most regular humans are at best uneasy around pod pilots, and most pod pilots are richer than some hole planets.
So why would I even want to walk around with the common filthies? Putting my life and Isk at risk to feel like a normal human again?

Absolutly right. So we need good reasons to leave the safety of our Pods. But it seems that cloning technology has advanced considerably when I think of Dust 514. I could be wrong... anyone read any lore about the Dust 514 clones?


Dust 514 soldiers are using / forced to use sleeper technology.

EDIT: SPOILER!!!!!

As far as I have read:


Empress Jamyl seems to have been able to aquire a sleeper brain for testing and science and thus enabling the Amarr to invent the cloning technology for ground soldiers.

The sleepers were able to activate a fifth brain lobe by activating a inactive gene and enhance their own cognitive-processing.

A fullerene-based quantum computer is embedded into the brain and is able to store all the information embedded into the speciman's brain, mainly because of the fifth lobe.

Through that they seem to need significantly less storage and infrastructure to store and transfer ones mind. If one dies then, his mind is instantly transfered into a new body that needs to be like the same as before or at least the same cognitive attributes.

Unlike capsuleers where stations and gates are needed for the transfer of ones mind, that sleeper technology seems to be able to circumvent those and create immortal soldiers that way.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2855 - 2012-02-09 14:43:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Issler Dainze wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Another great victory over the dress up the dolly fetishists for the people who love EVE is the fact that the new player introduction website fails to mention WiS, Incarna or NEX store at all.

Yet the designers though mentioning "erm you have a hanger to put stuff in" while not promoting, advertising or listing space Barbie as a feature at all.


Oops, forgot to add

ESD = The Eve is a SciFi simulation Denier

This is usually a forum troll that waste everyones time confusing the promise of ambulation in Eve with a dislike of Eve or spaceships. These can usually be quickly identified by their frequent confusing the NeX and Incarna with ambulation, the repeated use of "Space Barbie" in their rants and their denial of CCP's repeated claims that Eve is a SciFi simulator. They will often claim that only they know how Eve should be played and what CCP should focus on.

Another sure sign that someone is a ESD is they claim work on ambulation was what kept CCP from adding FiS content when it was actually work on other games.

Issler


Yes a single room with some clothes is a great sci fi simulation.................... A handful of rooms with some clothes and pretend space bars is not a great sci fi simulation either.
Fuee
Doomheim
#2856 - 2012-02-09 14:45:56 UTC
So DUST soldiers are superior to capsuleers? Thanks CCP
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2857 - 2012-02-09 14:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Fuee wrote:
CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them. But I really don't have any faith in them after these 6 years and Incarna. I'll be happy over at Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2, both being F2P, watching EVE die as you fools grind for ISK or spend $ for your subscriptions, toiling away with decade old gameplay. Slaves to killboards and spreadsheets.


It's very hard to figure WTH is going on with CCP and WiS. Turns out now there are 60 devs working on WoD, plus we got Team Avatar, plus the new website strongly relies on avatars (even if they wear customization options unavailable ingame), plus the new website doens't even mention CQs or WiS at all, plus the only non-nullsec CSM candidate with a serious option to enter CSM7 comptetely dismisses WiS.

Add the ultimate necessity of launching DUST 514 as a part of the summer expansion, which means that right now an undetermined amount of devs are in Full Dust mode, and well, puzzlement ensues. Looks like CCP is playing to spin plates and nobody knows wether the audience will say "wow" or will watch a splenderous crash... or wll begin shooting at the plates.


The difference is that now flying in space or EVE online as I like to call it now has several teams dedicated to improve and iterate on all the stuff that has been promised and thought out for the fying in space part where previously most teams where working on Incarna end the WoD project combined.

Now the current 5 man incarna team can untangle the mess they are in by working with the assets and ideas that have been finished already and trying to fit this all into the sandbox of EVE without to much uproar and with actually stuff to do, a minor fact that was overlooked apparently.

The rols have been reversed for now and rightly so, I assume Ambulation will get a chance to shine and alot of stuff for it has allready been finished art wise so they only need to fix the Aurum/Nex problem and figure out how to extend the sandbox into stations in a interesting way. I'd suggest reading up on some of the chronicles and the books for things to do in station.

EDIT: I recently went into the CQ and I must say it looks ALOT better then it did a few months/year ago. clearly they have been improving quite a bit on their code etc.

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Eveliy
Coronize
#2858 - 2012-02-09 14:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Eveliy
Fuee wrote:
So DUST soldiers are superior to capsuleers? Thanks CCP


As CCP never said they would give up on WiS or walking capsuleers I think that we will make use of that technology sooner or later, as well.

I'd also not say that they're superior. They can just horribly die more often and everywhere whereas we have all the tools to steer New Eden's greatest ships on our own. :)

Another edit:

That sleeper tech is even able to scan your brain continiously and not only a few momens before your death.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2859 - 2012-02-10 16:38:47 UTC
Eveliy wrote:
Fuee wrote:
So DUST soldiers are superior to capsuleers? Thanks CCP


As CCP never said they would give up on WiS or walking capsuleers I think that we will make use of that technology sooner or later, as well.

I'd also not say that they're superior. They can just horribly die more often and everywhere whereas we have all the tools to steer New Eden's greatest ships on our own. :)

Another edit:

That sleeper tech is even able to scan your brain continiously and not only a few momens before your death.



so you remember your own death until the last moment the brains stops?
wow knowing what is going to happen when you die and stil get into that pod on the balcony
Team Avatar could at least change the position of the pod

R.S.I2014
Razin
The Scope
#2860 - 2012-02-10 17:00:18 UTC
Fuee wrote:
CCP needs ambulation now more than ever, this is a big year for MMO's and leaning on clicking boxes in space, going back 10 years to tidy up outdated gameplay as a "focus" is going to ruin them.

If the past year showed anything, its that the above isn't just wrong, but that it is fatal for EVE Online.

You guys need to shut up and get in line. According to CCP Greyscale the 0.0/sov rework will take approximately 5 years. There is also low sec and other in-space gameplay work. Maybe you'll get something new after all that has been handled.