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NUVOS announces Emancipation Assistance Program

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Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#1 - 2012-02-03 18:45:52 UTC
Numenor Benevolent Holdings has initiated a program through which capsuleer pilots may anonymously free slaves for inclusion in approved emancipation programs by the Electus Matari and Disciples of Ston. New programs may be added in the future as they are developed or I am made aware of them.

Pilots may buy slaves out of slavery or obtain them by whatever means. No questions are asked or required. The pilot designates which of the two programs is desired and I arrange all transportation of the former slaves, including picking them up and passenger transport to their destination in either program. This is free of charge.

The Electus Matari sponsored Freedom Program and the Disciples of Ston Matriculation Program are currently the two qualified programs. DSTON forbids its members from purchasing slaves off the market but they readily accept those who have been purchased by others into their program. I am not sure what the policy of the EM Freedom Program is.

One of the goals of this program is to enable people who cannot or will not risk exposure of their identity or associations, to be actively involved in the freeing of slaves. This program gives assurance that freed slaves are not just left on the streets to fend for themselves alone, but given educational opportunities, medical care, restored tribal communities, vocational training, etc.

NUVOS exists to expand the opportunities for emancipation by seeking new ways to facilitate capsuleers to participate actively. Please contact Edaine Numenor for details and/or to arrange the transportation of freed slaves to these programs. Also contact me if you are aware of other such programs that could be included.

NUVOS is a non-profit, humanitarian organization focused on abolition and the well-being of former slaves.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#2 - 2012-02-03 19:05:43 UTC
EM refugee aid and educational programs do not include restrictions for as to how the individuals gained their freedom.

This is a commendable effort and we thank you for the hard work.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Electus Matari
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#3 - 2012-02-04 17:39:05 UTC
I am less than a week out from being able to pilot an Obelisk. We have had a most generous donation designated for the purpose of liberating slaves. Thus, the need for the Obelisk. The donation was large and the impact will not be trivial.

NUVOS has a dream to see masses of slaves liberated, especially from the Khanid Kingdom. We call pilots of means to begin sharing this dream. Generosity begets generosity.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2012-02-04 18:24:37 UTC
This has all the markings of another carriage on the STON underground monorail.

It will be treated as such.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#5 - 2012-02-05 14:40:07 UTC
NUVOS is requesting information from any pilots who would like to assist in the emancipation of slaves. This is what we need: 1. Obelisk, best price, 2. Fenrir, best price. Also, if anyone would like to contribute by providing these items at a discount, we would be much appreciative.

Sincerely,
Edaine

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-05 18:02:12 UTC
Stoners by any other name...
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#7 - 2012-02-07 16:25:44 UTC
Thank you.
That is what I say to whoever donated the ISK toward what I assume is the purchase of an Obelisk to aid in the transport of Liberated slaves to their new homes. I am blown away by this. In my wallet records, all I can find is what is called a "market escrow release," but I cannot track the source. Thank you, anonymous donor.

The special passenger Obelisk has been ordered. I am only a couples days of training away from using it. It will be prepared especially for transport and modeled after DSTON's Freedom Liner only much larger. It will be a "mobile city" of sorts.

We also will be able to transport larger quantities of provisions, especially water, to the new centers.

Dare I say, "let us create a movement to empty the slave markets of New Eden."

As millions have been enslaved, let millions be liberated.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-07 18:30:46 UTC
Do be carefull with your shiny new toy. It would be a pity for your 'Freedom Liner' to smash upon the rocks of reality. Your attempts at corrupting and disrupting the activities of so many Amarrian corporations, and Imperial entities are misguided. All this to condem this generation of slaves to eternal damnation.

I have little doubt that your massive new toys will simply drive many independant slavers to band together and seek to pick apart your precious mobile city. Your announcement serves only to paint a target on your back, "dear slavers, here is a big, defensless target...." essentially you have announced a one stop shop for slavers. All they need do is cooperate and tear peel the steel from your hull, then they will have their choice of which slaves to keep and which to leave in your death trap.

Congratulations puppet of Ston.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#9 - 2012-02-07 19:27:59 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Your announcement serves only to paint a target on your back, "dear slavers, here is a big, defensless target...." essentially you have announced a one stop shop for slavers. All they need do is cooperate and tear peel the steel from your hull, then they will have their choice of which slaves to keep and which to leave in your death trap.

Congratulations puppet of Ston.


You know... the funny thing is that the rest of their ships have been the same way. Whatever size, they have always been defensless. Their announcment of the great new vessel is of something higher that you are blind to see. So yes, thank you for congratulating them on continuing their job of freeing the slave population.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#10 - 2012-02-08 19:16:08 UTC
I have christened the Obelisk the "Emancipate." I am less than twenty minutes from completing the necessary skills to pilot her. When that happens, we begin transporting approximately 2.2 Million former slaves to new Communities where they will begin self-government. Matriculation, the path to self determination, the path to free communities. I hope DSTON is ready and I hope others step up to the challenge soon.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#11 - 2012-02-08 19:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alistair Cononach
Edaine Numenor wrote:
....we begin transporting approximately 2.2 Million former slaves......


I assume you have image-based evidence of this claim, showing the 2.2 million slaves/former slaves, right?

You certainly wouldn't claim to be doing something you're not actually doing.....would you?

You seem very proud of your accomplishment, as perhaps you have the right to be, but as a neutral observer to your activity, I'd like to see the evidence to back the claim. Lets see the 2.2 millions slaves/former slaves.

The usual Neocom drone-camera interface of the vessels cargo log will suffice, I'm sure.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#12 - 2012-02-08 19:51:39 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:
Edaine Numenor wrote:
....we begin transporting approximately 2.2 Million former slaves......


I assume you have image-based evidence of this claim, showing the 2.2 million slaves/former slaves, right?

You certainly wouldn't claim to be doing something you're not actually doing.....would you?

You seem very proud of yoru accomplismnet, as perhaps you have the right to be, but as a neutral observer to your activity, I'd like to see the evidence to back the claim. Lets see the 2.2 millions slaves.

The usual Neocom drone-camera interface of the vessels cargo log will suffice, I'm sure.


I'll get right on that.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#13 - 2012-02-08 20:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alistair Cononach
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Alistair Cononach wrote:
Edaine Numenor wrote:
....we begin transporting approximately 2.2 Million former slaves......


I assume you have image-based evidence of this claim, showing the 2.2 million slaves/former slaves, right?

You certainly wouldn't claim to be doing something you're not actually doing.....would you?

You seem very proud of yoru accomplismnet, as perhaps you have the right to be, but as a neutral observer to your activity, I'd like to see the evidence to back the claim. Lets see the 2.2 millions slaves.

The usual Neocom drone-camera interface of the vessels cargo log will suffice, I'm sure.


I'll get right on that.


Excellent, I look forward to seeing it.

As I'm sure you are aware, the Summit is rife with claims of dubious truthfulness, compounded by outright propaganda by the various factions who squabble here.

It would be a shame to see your own work sullied by claims of flasehood or exageration simply because, as an oversight, you failed to document the actions as they occured.

Best of luck in your endeavor. Slavery is a wrong that we must all work to overcome.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#14 - 2012-02-08 20:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Edaine Numenor
The logs are two in number. Corporate and personal. The total adds up to 2,283,131
log 1
log 2

I hope this satisfies the doubters. I am on my way now to pick up the first passengers.

Edit: I can also provide logs after all the passengers have arrived in the new Centers, if that is requested.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#15 - 2012-02-08 20:37:17 UTC
Do you not know that you condemn these souls to hell as you remove them from the source of truth? May each soul represent 100 times the years you shall spend in Perdition for this crime.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#16 - 2012-02-08 20:55:25 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Do you not know that you condemn these souls to hell as you remove them from the source of truth? May each soul represent 100 times the years you shall spend in Perdition for this crime.


My one post in the speech thread should help you understand more on how we think compared to how you think. So far this condemning souls to hell that I have been hearing has been sounding very repetitive.

To put it how you think so you can understand. Maybe we non-Amarr actually like living in this hell you speak of... because to us it is our heaven. To live in your heaven serving as a slave and learning about your God is the hell for us.

To learn of the Amarr's source of truth is learning about lies in the eyes of others (such as Matari, and other races of slavery). To learn of the source of truth from others (like a Matari shaman) is a lie in Amarr's point of view. Everything/one has another view.

You should be able to understand well now on why things like this happen.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-02-09 12:41:21 UTC
I am curious, what planetary government agreed to having you drop 2.2 million former slaves on their doorstep? Or have you just taken it upon yourself to deposit these sinners onto some unknown, and unihabited rock? What resources are you leaving them with? I have difficulty imagining any planet agreeing to receive 2 million additional mouths to feed. How is this any different than an invasion of sinners?

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#18 - 2012-02-09 13:54:13 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
I am curious, what planetary government agreed to having you drop 2.2 million former slaves on their doorstep? Or have you just taken it upon yourself to deposit these sinners onto some unknown, and unihabited rock? What resources are you leaving them with? I have difficulty imagining any planet agreeing to receive 2 million additional mouths to feed. How is this any different than an invasion of sinners?


You know... with your threats on the destruction of the "shiny new toy" along with the other threats, I am not sure it would be the best of interest for your curiosity to be fufilled on knowing the final destination. If you had read, Mr. Numenor had also stated on them forming new communities and them beginning their own self-government. But sure... go ahead and believe that they will be living on a rock... maybe somewhere in wormhole space. At least they would live in peace there.

Edaine Numenor wrote:
When that happens, we begin transporting approximately 2.2 Million former slaves to new Communities where they will begin self-government.


It's a big galaxy... not all systems are vastly poppulated, and not all uninhabitable places are what they seem to be.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2012-02-09 18:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Kentt Em'asep wrote:
If you had read, Mr. Numenor had also stated on them forming new communities and them beginning their own self-government. But sure... go ahead and believe that they will be living on a rock... maybe somewhere in wormhole space. At least they would live in peace there.


Do people at least remember what happened just after the collapse of the Eve Gate and what is left of it in historical records ? Dropping these people on a planet isolated from everything is putting them in a similar environnement, which is sometimes refered in New Eden's case as the Age of Darkness.

Which makes me wonder how much the Disciples of Ston are going to invest to assure these people live a decent life (unless they want them to live 100 times poorer lifes than the ones they lived under slavery), and how far are they thinking to assist/support these people in their establishment on their new world ?

I am pretty sure nobody wants to see a new Vo'shun to blossom in the cluster.
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#20 - 2012-02-09 19:37:33 UTC
I wish to take responsibility for confusion over how the Disciples of Ston plan to care for the influx of recently freed people. The confusion is partly due to my refusal to listen to the criticism of others over starting multiple forum threads. In those diffuse threads there are detailed descriptions of the infrastructure of what we are building, but who wants to read all that? As a result, there is confusion. So, I apologize for that.

Alright, I need to review a few well-known but often forgotten facts.

1. Customs laws and enforcements forbid capsuleer pilots from transporting slaves/ former slaves on to planetary colonies. Customs so strictly enforces these rules, that it simply cannot be done, certainly not on the scale that we would have to do it.
2. Orbital stations of today are massive constructions of human oriented infrastructure including all that is necessary to sustain and support large populations. We often forget that as capsuleers who rarely leave the "egg."
3. All those we rescue, house, feed, educate, train and otherwise care for are on board orbital stations. These stations have state of the art medical, nutritional, sanitational, and housing facilities. No one is abandoned on planets to fend for themselves without resources.
4. Planetary colonies that the members and friends of DSTON own, produce millions of liters of water, millions of grams of protein supplements, livestock, etc. Donations and purchases by DSTON account for millions of doses of medicines, servings of frozen commodities, even consumer electronics for educational and entertainment purposes.
5. Though the mathematics of our populations are great, the mathematics of our resources are enormous. Do we soon forget that power of the capsuleer both to purchase and to produce is beyond the normal non-capsuleer scale?
6. Gallentean and Minmatar Corporations and Security organizations operate freely and without hindrance in Amarr space. Gallentean society has in the past and continues to spend very considerable sums of ISK on the cause of Minmatar freedom.
7. The Costs of DSTON efforts are a drop in the bucket relative to the whole cluster. Our corporate support is tiny, financially speaking. However, our corporation partners benefit greatly in P.R. and politically by aiding these populations of freed slaves.

So for those who really do care about how these rescued ones will fare; they will fare excellently. To those who merely wish to criticize; nothing I say will satisfy you nor will you believe it. However, your criticisms will not stop our work. To it we are dedicated.

SANKOFA

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