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The MightySword
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-01-15 19:19:29 UTC
in response to the OP:

tengu is defo the way to go. Covert ops cloak in hihg then damage (just rememebr to have the right subsystem)

make sure if you can to fit faction repers, pithi althouhg expensive are the best x2.
Then low either dmg or whatever you want

i know when im null sec running i fit for covops so nullifier to stop being caught and covops. works a treat usually.

just my 2pennies worth
Tionscal Gaterau
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-01-15 20:24:14 UTC
The MightySword wrote:
in response to the OP:

tengu is defo the way to go. Covert ops cloak in hihg then damage (just rememebr to have the right subsystem)

make sure if you can to fit faction repers, pithi althouhg expensive are the best x2.
Then low either dmg or whatever you want

i know when im null sec running i fit for covops so nullifier to stop being caught and covops. works a treat usually.

just my 2pennies worth


I am looking at quite the price tag then lol.

I have a couple more questions for you. Might ask you in-game for simplicity.
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#23 - 2012-01-16 17:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Firebolt145
Maeste Madeveda wrote:
If you want a lesson on Tengu uses, I recommend encountering the Hatchery. They seem pretty efficient, never flown with them ;)

You kidding? We've nicknamed our new home 'the Tengu toilet' for a reason..............................................Roll

As for OP, I'm not much of an explorer etc but I do know for a fact that Tengu is the ship I see most doing that sort of stuff.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-01-17 23:01:07 UTC




1. They are commonly used for providing fleet bonuses and ECCM. They also do well as front line ships. They are pretty much the "jack of all trades" ship. With good schools and some decent support you can be providing a support role for one battle and with a quick switch be attacking ships.

2. Do they provide any bonuses to exploration/covert ops?

Depending on how they are fitted you could do such a thing with them.

3. How can a lone-wolf like me possibly find use out of them?

Tengus are definitely the ship for a lone wolf. Just another day my corp was chasing around a pimped out Tengu. He almost destroyed several of our ships and managed to out-run us even with 3 points on him. We eventually got him because he got a little over confident but someone who knows what they are doing and flys smart will be able to avoid most gangs.

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Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-01-17 23:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jude Lloyd
I use my Tengu for small gangs, roams, Cov Ops fleets, camps, and blops.

I'm back!
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-01-18 04:53:48 UTC
Also... a gang of 100MN Tengus working together can ruin a lot of people's day.

I'm back!
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#27 - 2012-01-18 17:56:53 UTC
Nerf the Tengu...o **** wait high sec alt can mission in one soon....


Ur Buff the Tengu


Have to say thou, the LOKI needs a buff when compained to the Tengu or Proteus its shockingly weaker.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-19 01:43:20 UTC
T3's are made in wormhole space and are most at home there. They are fairly pricey, but the cruiser mass hull makes up for it. seeing killmails from wormhole consisting of barely anything but strategic cruisers, guardians and a bhaal or 2 are rather standard. Tengu's are widely used for PvE anywhere in the eve universe, for pvp they get used a lot less in wormhole space, where mainly proteus and loki are king for pvp.

as for all in one exploration ship, in wormhole space you can forget it. Fitting a probe and cloak is easily done, and you'll do some decent damage in a tengu fit like that, however to take down sleepers you need more damage, or itll take ages.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-01-19 06:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off.


You obviously haven't been in null sec lately. All you see are Tengu fleets these days.

One word: Raiden.

As to the OP, a Proteus is very good for scanning and running plexes in hi sec. Can fit an excellent tank, all the necessary mods in the mid slots and doesn't need changing. Will run anything you are likely to encounter in hi sec. Have done this myself on many occasions.

Low/Null scanning, change to a Cov Ops fit and you can still run a lot of the plexes without changing. Will take longer to complete in a Proteus though, be warned.
PlatinumMercSEAL
Center for Advanced Studies
#30 - 2012-01-20 17:49:12 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
90% of strategic cruisers are destined to be used by an alt at a safespot with ECCM modules and gang links activated.


Horse$hit....

There are a ton of uses for Strategic cruisers....

Yes, they are used in Fleet PvP for boosting (they give amazing boosts).

They also have tons of additionally roles:
Lokis are used in many PvP fleets for their webs (especially AHAC type fleets).
Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off.
Proteus is a favored bait ship, and used in many fleets for their tackle range.
Legions are one of the favored Incursion ships, and also make appearences in AHAC fleets.

The Tengu has become a PvE favorite of mission runners and plexers, especially in lowsec.

Many of the strategic cruises make good exploration boats... as they can scan down a site, switch fits, and then competently run the sites.




How would you fit this proteus? I am looking for a good fleet PVP fitting.

Captain PlatiumMercSEAL, Deep-Space Wraiths (Independent Null Sec Mercenary Corporation)
Velarra
#31 - 2012-01-21 01:49:11 UTC
Tionscal Gaterau wrote:
firewalker220 wrote:
I love me a juicey T3 fleet :) But on a serious note, T3's are seen as the best ship to fly in wormholes due to getting the tank of a battleship, rep loving resists, usually some form of tackle bonus, and in some cases the dps of a battleship in a cruiser sized package to avoid mass issues.

As far as solo stuff the tengu is really quite amazing if fit up properly and assuming you're not going to have to deal with neuts



However my preferred setup would be a covops cloak, probe launcher, and 3 missile launcers.

As for the meds, should I fit a shield tank or could I squeeze in a couple of node harvesters?


You really want to take a look at your DPS when you fit 3 missile launchers on a Tengu.

Do you plan to be firing T1 Scourge (soon to be "Trauma")? T2 Fury? Cal Navy?
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-02-09 10:33:26 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
90% of strategic cruisers are destined to be used by an alt at a safespot with ECCM modules and gang links activated.


Horse$hit....

There are a ton of uses for Strategic cruisers....

Yes, they are used in Fleet PvP for boosting (they give amazing boosts).

They also have tons of additionally roles:
Lokis are used in many PvP fleets for their webs (especially AHAC type fleets).
Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off.
Proteus is a favored bait ship, and used in many fleets for their tackle range.
Legions are one of the favored Incursion ships, and also make appearences in AHAC fleets.

The Tengu has become a PvE favorite of mission runners and plexers, especially in lowsec.

Many of the strategic cruises make good exploration boats... as they can scan down a site, switch fits, and then competently run the sites.


"Tengu fleets are more rare" What? Tengu fleets are the only tech III fleets ffs. And they are quite powerful. You don't see Loki fleets, etc. The other tech IIIs are all weaker in pve and pvp.

Lokis and Proteuseseses are sometimes flown as tackle support in other fleet configurations (but they compete on isk efficiency with throw away huggies and lachesisisisis). The only place where the Legion shiines is incursion vanguards, but an absolution is just as good maybe better in that role. Either Tengu should get nerfed (or heavy missiles) or the other tech III buffed.

And, most importantly, CCP should make warfare links only work on grid and end the ss'd unprobably tech III booster bullshit

So many people that haven't a clue...

If you haven't used these ships / flown with people that do then don't comment. Though if you enjoy advertising your stupidity I suppose that's up to you.

So much hate for the proteus in here too. "if it's on the list it's far down" - wow. I can't believe some of this coming from people in wormholes too. Ask any decent WH corp if they think the proteus is ****. It is by far the highest DPS T3, often with a HUGE buffer tank and works especially well in WH space.

You guys make me sad, so sad.
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Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-02-09 10:55:25 UTC
Tengu is been mentioned by everyone and it is awesome.


Though with exploration the Legion has a small advantage over the Tengu:

Cargospace.

No missiles to carry with you wich leaves more loot space and therefor longer runs
Amthala
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-02-09 12:32:00 UTC
Mr Bigwinky wrote:
So much hate for the proteus in here too. "if it's on the list it's far down" - wow. I can't believe some of this coming from people in wormholes too. Ask any decent WH corp if they think the proteus is ****. It is by far the highest DPS T3, often with a HUGE buffer tank and works especially well in WH space.

You guys make me sad, so sad.


^this...

proteus is god damn awesome.
they have no equivalent when it comes to close range PVP.
in WHs in particular they dominate.
order of usefulness in WH fleets is proteus, loki, legion (neut fit), tengu.
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-02-09 13:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Farang Lo
PlatinumMercSEAL wrote:


How would you fit this proteus? I am looking for a good fleet PVP fitting.



[Proteus, Proteus fit]

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor

Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Core A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Energized Reflective Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

modify it as you see fit, this fit has 23k raw armor and has almost 900 dps, drop 1 mag stab for 1 EANM and it still ditches out 800

@Mr Bigwinky: good post
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