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Nightmare lvl 4 fit
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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-09-19 11:55:57 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
It actually helps more than the 4th gyro does. Though if I were to swap it for anything, it'd be more tracking (in the form of metastasis rigs).


o0

must be because of the peculiar speed calculation formula....

I should buy an Ishtar.
Aamrr
#22 - 2011-09-19 12:08:47 UTC
It's because of how the stacking penalties are ordered. The T2 aerator is a 15% RoF bonus -- larger than you'll see even on officer gear. This puts it at the top of the stacking penalty chain at full effectiveness. The 10.5% bonus from the gyrostabilizers is shifted down, but you've basically exchanged a 10.5% RoF bonus at the head for 15% -- which gives you about a 5% DPS improvement. Not shabby, eh?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-09-19 12:14:07 UTC
hm, i'm halfway considering swapping the 4th gyro on my nightmare fit for a PDU and then putting two weapon mods in the rig slots...

I should buy an Ishtar.
Aamrr
#24 - 2011-09-19 12:20:09 UTC
You'll never make up the capacitor. Elutriation discharge rigs reduce cap cost for your guns by 25% each. A PDU is only going to give you another 5% bonus to capacitor reservoir and recharge.

It's way easier to get that 5% damage boost by just using T2 tachyons -- nevermind cheaper.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-09-19 12:23:44 UTC
how does it stack though? is it x * (1 - 0.25)^2 or x * (1 - (0.25 * 2))

I should buy an Ishtar.
Aamrr
#26 - 2011-09-19 12:35:20 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
how does it stack though? is it x * (1 - 0.25)^2 or x * (1 - (0.25 * 2))


The first one. But keep in mind that capacitor cost reduction modules aren't stacking penalized. You get a straight 43.75% reduction in your turret's capdraw.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-09-19 12:51:13 UTC
you could also get ~42% reduced cap recharge from cap rigs. so tecnically, if your average turret cap drain to total cap drain ratio is smaller than your natural cap regen to average total (with booster) cap regen ratio, you should stick with CCCs.

do you have any eft numbers on that? i'm at work so i can't theorycraft too much right now

I should buy an Ishtar.
Aamrr
#28 - 2011-09-19 12:53:50 UTC
Sure -- but that 42.2% (one T2 CCC, two T1) requires 3 rig slots instead of 2, and doesn't do anything to conserve the capacitor coming from your cap booster. And as a percentage, there's a larger amount of capacitor going into your guns than coming from your ship's native recharge.

If nothing else, using the elutriation discharge frees up a rig slot and doesn't make you spend 180 million isk on a T2 CCC. That's argument enough.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-09-19 13:15:37 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
Sure -- but that 42.2% (one T2 CCC, two T1) requires 3 rig slots instead of 2, and doesn't do anything to conserve the capacitor coming from your cap booster. And as a percentage, there's a larger amount of capacitor going into your guns than coming from your ship's native recharge.

If nothing else, using the elutriation discharge frees up a rig slot and doesn't make you spend 180 million isk on a T2 CCC. That's argument enough.


yea but it also makes you even tighter on PG, so if there was only a slight difference, I'd probably go with the CCCs( 3xT1 is 39% reduction btw). or you can just skip both and go for 3x shield rigs and a large cap booster.... I really need to get home to eft this **** out.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Aamrr
#30 - 2011-09-19 13:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aamrr
But as you've seen, I can adequately address any powergrid issues by just using a medium capacitor booster instead of a large. Since you're not supposed to be burning through cap charges super fast anyway, the size issue is moot.

Edit: And if you really want that heavy capacitor booster, a powergrid implant can give it to you.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-09-19 13:24:48 UTC
some people haven't gotten around to get AWU yet Oops

I should buy an Ishtar.
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#32 - 2011-09-19 13:54:20 UTC
Hi. I've flown CNR, Nightmare, Machariel and Tengu.

Here is my NM setup for L4's:

[Nightmare, Tower Classic]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
10MN Afterburner II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Replace AB with 2nd TC where needed.
Aamrr
#33 - 2011-09-19 15:11:46 UTC
I've never been a big fan of semiconductors, but I've seen some people swear by them. I prefer work via capacitor conservation rather than just making a big buffer, but I certainly don't see anything wrong with either approach.

To each their own, I suppose.
Aamrr
#34 - 2011-09-19 15:13:49 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
some people haven't gotten around to get AWU yet Oops


I only have AWU4 and EGU4, and I have no trouble fitting double elutriation rigs. I have to fiddle a bit to get an afterburner in, but I can still manage it.

There's really no reason you shouldn't be able to get two elutriation rigs on.
Aessaya
Independent treasure hunters
#35 - 2011-09-21 04:40:02 UTC
My personal Nightmare fit for level 4s:

Quote:
[Nightmare, Her Worst Nightmare]
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist C-Type Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5


There's a couple of points there:
1) I prefer not to resort to cap boosters for missions (as seen by fit);
2) I prefer burst tank over capstability (evidenced by pith x-type xl)

So far i was able to solo all blood raider region L4s with that fit.

Also, drop whatever you want into two highslots, i usually carry a pair of heavy diminishings there in case there's any <26km target i can suck cap from. Can be easily switched for pair shield transporters if you have a friend with you (i sometimes pair up with a shieldtanked navydomi for spidertank mayhem). Although if you're up for spiders it'll be better to drop selftank for more dps and resistances.

Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song.
Orlacc
#36 - 2011-09-21 05:09:34 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
It actually helps more than the 4th gyro does. Though if I were to swap it for anything, it'd be more tracking (in the form of metastasis rigs).



This is correct as long as it is T2.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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