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The Empire scourge that is macro mission running

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-02-08 02:41:28 UTC
1. Find 'bot';
2. Identify which NPC ship bot is targeting;
3. Throw self between bot and target and take a round to the knee;
4. Do whatever it is that gankers do once they got aggro.

/me crawls back under rock.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-02-08 05:15:32 UTC  |  Edited by: SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Mission bots are quite common in my line of work.

usually just bump them them out of align and let the rats pop them.
pretty much confirms bot status, because if you do it to anyone, they will ***** in local at you or PM you with a please stop message.

you can figure out what mission it is and hit wave trigger ships, more DPS, makes it quicker/easier.
Also.

Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Just FYI every single CNR pilot is a bot..


Is the truth

Dont mind me,  just touching your stuff.

K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-02-08 09:18:05 UTC
hahaha I like it, I'm going to have to try that during quiet times Twisted
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#24 - 2012-02-08 12:35:01 UTC
Time to buy my alt a CNR and see if I can get someone to agress me then :P
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#25 - 2012-02-08 13:28:08 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
[quote=Tenris Anis]
Thankyou and if I find a way to kill hulks without losing sec status I will, though I think I'll just leave that to the hulkageddon crew.


Just create an alt for this, so you have not to care at all about his security standing, just be careful with that police forces chasing it ... ;-)

Remove insurance.

Aine Ni
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-02-08 14:03:35 UTC
I sometimes run missions out of Venilen - and have seen more than one fleet of "what looks like bots" - might be worth a look :)
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#27 - 2012-02-08 20:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninyania alCladdyth
I like where you're trying to go with this, but...


K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."


A com-bot isn't going to clear that L4 mission *FASTER* than a real player.
A mine-bot isn't going to fill its cargo hold with ore *FASTER* than a real player.


Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Devil's Advocate: Its not the bot user's fault that you choose to work|school|sleep and not to be in-game 23/7. Don't punish them for your lack of dedication.


That said, if you happen to run across a botter, I have absolutely nothing against lighting that bastard up.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#28 - 2012-02-08 21:09:59 UTC
SC0T1SH WARRIOR wrote:
Mission bots are quite common in my line of work.

usually just bump them them out of align and let the rats pop them.
pretty much confirms bot status, because if you do it to anyone, they will ***** in local at you or PM you with a please stop message.

you can figure out what mission it is and hit wave trigger ships, more DPS, makes it quicker/easier.


Hm. "Buzz Kill" is probably the ideal mission for this.

Might take a lot of bumping to keep them from warping out though.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-02-08 22:15:42 UTC
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
I like where you're trying to go with this, but...


K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."


A com-bot isn't going to clear that L4 mission *FASTER* than a real player.
A mine-bot isn't going to fill its cargo hold with ore *FASTER* than a real player.


Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Devil's Advocate: Its not the bot user's fault that you choose to work|school|sleep and not to be in-game 23/7. Don't punish them for your lack of dedication.


That said, if you happen to run across a botter, I have absolutely nothing against lighting that bastard up.


yeh you're right about this, I actually study linguistics at university and from a linguistical point of view this eula has been written wrong and clearly states that botting is fine... how-ever, what they are TRYING to say is that it isn't and thus botters still get banned.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-02-08 23:34:20 UTC
I support these activities 100%. You seem like a legitimate group and not one of the others that seem to use "I'm hunting bots" as a guise for griefing and/or suicide ganking.

I'll be sure to keep my eyes open in Dodixie and see if I can find any suspicious people.

By the way, do these botting corps tend to have offices in the systems where they usually get missions from?

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Spineker
#31 - 2012-02-08 23:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Killing a bot in highsec missions would be simple as waiting for the right time and no concord to save them. Would be easy. However I doubt there are very many bots running missions too many random problems to over come.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-02-09 01:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Eshtir
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
By the way, do these botting corps tend to have offices in the systems where they usually get missions from?


I havn't seen a relation with this.

Spineker wrote:
However I doubt there are very many bots running missions too many random problems to over come.


you will be surprised how many people actually are running bots. It does how-ever look like you need to put a decent amount of effort into setting it up properly but there are support forums with how to guides and advice from pro's for botters.

Removed bot names.-ISD Eshtir
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-02-09 23:55:35 UTC
I had a nice long post about how to profit from them, but why share the method? Cool

Suffice to say you have a great opportunity to profit from their missioning (much more than them). Quit the whining and start the profiting!
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-02-10 10:19:54 UTC
no-one in this thread is whining except one butthurt isk seller. how can you make much profit from their missioning? i assume you dont mean killing their rats and stealing their salvage surely because that is just fail, how-ever i cant think of something to do with their missions directly that is better 'profit' as you say, than their faction/deadspace loot.
Bibosikus
Air
#35 - 2012-02-10 15:45:53 UTC
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
I like where you're trying to go with this, but...


K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."


A com-bot isn't going to clear that L4 mission *FASTER* than a real player.
A mine-bot isn't going to fill its cargo hold with ore *FASTER* than a real player.


Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Devil's Advocate: Its not the bot user's fault that you choose to work|school|sleep and not to be in-game 23/7. Don't punish them for your lack of dedication.


That said, if you happen to run across a botter, I have absolutely nothing against lighting that bastard up.


Not strictly true. A properly set-up bot will consistently press the right keys and perform the correct actions in the *absolute minimum* amount of time. It will do this 23/7. Whereas a human pilot attempting to do the same will always be lagging a little behind. Therefore, over a period of time, a bot will clear more missions in the same time span. Hence, accelerated.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

Hrethel
Ex Morte Vita
#36 - 2012-02-13 15:46:16 UTC
You know, at first I thought you were making a joke, but having read the rest of the thread, I slowly changed my mind.

Morally, I wholly support the concept of taking out Bots, GoonSwarm's regular Hulkageddon events are heading in the right direction for mining, although I don't think they discriminate Bots from Humans, so improvement needed there :D

But in regards to mission running, I'm struggling to believe it's possible to Bot a mission:

As a programmer, I've written macros and scripts for Testing our company's software, and I really marvel at the complexity required to be able to properly script mission running. Part of me thinks it might be too difficult to achieve, but the problem solver in me thinks it might just be possible with a rigid set of UI setups and a serious set of brains.

But having spent a lot of time in mission running hubs, I would agree that there are a lot of players I would suspect of being bots. So let's assume it's possible. If so then like everyone else here, I'm intrigued by the enigma you propose of ganking them without Concord retaliation. Rather than 'Psychology', I think it's a matter of understanding how their script works and perverting it to get them flagged.

I don't want to go into discussion about how you would script a mission, I suspect I'd get slapped by the moderators, but I reckon that Loot collection would be an important part of the job, that's certainly where I get most of the monetary rewards.

If that's the case, then perhaps you could force a Bot to steal from you. If you dropped a Can in a bot's mission and waited, would he scoop it? Or if the bot is only scooping wrecks, how about destroying a corp-mate's frig in the mission space, then waiting for him to salvage and loot your wreck?

Just some thoughts, but I'm dying to work it out!

-- Hrethel "May you live in Interesting Times ... "

K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-02-13 15:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: K1RTH G3RS3N
^ there are mission bots out there you can buy, trust me they work amazingly well from what i can see and have read, and there are forums dedicated to discussing them (and selling isk through paypal).
also, the problem with that idea of making them agress you is that it will only scoop things that belong to it, your corp mates wreck isn't his and neither is the can you drop. interesting ideas though i would be interested to try it regardless.
Radax Glenn
Steel Works
RAZOR Alliance
#38 - 2012-02-13 23:58:02 UTC
Great discussion.

I've often wondered if sometimes what we are calling "bots" aren't necessarily a coded bot, but perhaps a person "taking a shift" at a client workstation. Perhaps in a 3rd world country. A human "bot" if you will. Cory Doctorow wrote about this in his book "For the Win". My daughter finished reading this a while ago, and the discussion on bots reminded me of this.

All in all, I think "bot's" whether coded as macro's or several people ensuring the same toon is always mining/mish running is certainly not acceptable.

If I run across any "bots" I will EVE mail you in game.

Radax
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-02-14 00:47:09 UTC
Radax Glenn wrote:
Great discussion.

I've often wondered if sometimes what we are calling "bots" aren't necessarily a coded bot, but perhaps a person "taking a shift" at a client workstation. Perhaps in a 3rd world country. A human "bot" if you will. Cory Doctorow wrote about this in his book "For the Win". My daughter finished reading this a while ago, and the discussion on bots reminded me of this.

All in all, I think "bot's" whether coded as macro's or several people ensuring the same toon is always mining/mish running is certainly not acceptable.

If I run across any "bots" I will EVE mail you in game.

Radax


i was just reading a bit form that link, that's the kind of situation i imagined with alot of these empire missioners with names like askdha of askdha corporation they're probably isk sellers from china or something working for a company.
i have been wondering though what happened to all the isk sellers in local? is it just not profitable enough anymore since plex....
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-02-14 02:17:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Eshtir
Eve doesn't do anything against this?

*Link Removed*-ISD Eshtir
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