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W-space gang/fleet metagame - info wanted

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Humidor Cigarillo
#1 - 2012-02-05 01:10:14 UTC
Seeking a little insight into what's hot and what's not in w-space gangs these days. Could someone bring me up to speed? (This is about pvp, don't bored me with the sleeper shooting stuff)

TIA
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#2 - 2012-02-05 06:48:44 UTC
Armor:

T3s - blaster proteus, arty or auto lokis, pulse legions and even armor ECM tengus are startign to become popular. Bhaalgorns for taking down capitals and guardians or triage carrier for reps.

Shield:

RR tengus are FOTM everywhere in wormholes. With a few webbing lokis thrown in. I've seen Shield bhaalgorns provide the neuting in pulsars too. Aside from the tengus repping some fleets roll with some basilisks as RR tengus are very cap dependent and any neutign will pose a large threat.

Not very many people in Wormholes use "nano fleets" as no aggression mechanics means you can instantly jump back through a wormhole and so fighting often occurs directly on WHs.

HICs for bubbles. Nobody uses Dics as they are too fragile and once you die you are back in HS.

Command ship are used to taste.
Humidor Cigarillo
#3 - 2012-02-05 06:51:27 UTC
Good man. +1 for you
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#4 - 2012-02-05 08:23:10 UTC
Camp the HS exit WH all day long. Jump if you get shot back. Spam the copypaste monkeys with petitions if you get flagged in highsec and killed.
Amthala
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-02-05 11:04:35 UTC
T3s or go back to kspace
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#6 - 2012-02-06 08:41:00 UTC
Adhocracy ran gallente killdozer shield fleets; shield astartes, etc. Very brutal, and that was pre-buff.

Nullsec nano doctrines don't work too well. Aside from fights occurring at 5-20km range on a wormhole, if you have to drop in amongst Sleepers, you will get vaped instantly in a Dram, Cyna, etc (subject to numbers and who the sleepers target). If you aren't prepared to drop in amongst sleepers, you're a sissy and should go back to k-space. Add to this most nano ships lack the DPS to drop enemies quickly, you spend a lot of time zooming about and achieve nothing. Then doubletap yourself and die.

HAM legion is very popular for armour fleets. Armour fleets are very popular - moreso than nullsec where their maneuverability is a hindrance. Now they've fixed the shield drop on jump in, I suspect shield fleets will become more popular once people do the maths on it.

Tier 3 BC's...well, you'll see gank Talos and blaster Nagas, occasional pulse Oracles for ganking. Very few Tornados - because alphafleet is a fail doctrine in w-space. You (almost) never get the numbers needed to make alpha doctrine work, and you can't get to range fast enough and survive the DPS with these paper-thin gunboats.

You will also see a lot more hyperions, domis and typhoons washing about w-space than nullsec, where their close-range DPS is king. Maelstroms are somewhat less popular, again because they are alphafleet ships, and active tanking will get you killed in w-space PVP. I think the Rokh is going to be stepping up to popularity with the hybrid buff and shield leadership bonus buff.

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LacLongQuan
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-06 18:59:30 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Adhocracy ran gallente killdozer shield fleets; shield astartes, etc. Very brutal, and that was pre-buff.

Nullsec nano doctrines don't work too well. Aside from fights occurring at 5-20km range on a wormhole, if you have to drop in amongst Sleepers, you will get vaped instantly in a Dram, Cyna, etc (subject to numbers and who the sleepers target). If you aren't prepared to drop in amongst sleepers, you're a sissy and should go back to k-space. Add to this most nano ships lack the DPS to drop enemies quickly, you spend a lot of time zooming about and achieve nothing. Then doubletap yourself and die.

HAM legion is very popular for armour fleets. Armour fleets are very popular - moreso than nullsec where their maneuverability is a hindrance. Now they've fixed the shield drop on jump in, I suspect shield fleets will become more popular once people do the maths on it.

Tier 3 BC's...well, you'll see gank Talos and blaster Nagas, occasional pulse Oracles for ganking. Very few Tornados - because alphafleet is a fail doctrine in w-space. You (almost) never get the numbers needed to make alpha doctrine work, and you can't get to range fast enough and survive the DPS with these paper-thin gunboats.

You will also see a lot more hyperions, domis and typhoons washing about w-space than nullsec, where their close-range DPS is king. Maelstroms are somewhat less popular, again because they are alphafleet ships, and active tanking will get you killed in w-space PVP. I think the Rokh is going to be stepping up to popularity with the hybrid buff and shield leadership bonus buff.

I doubt that you've ever lived in wh
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-06 20:03:41 UTC
LacLongQuan wrote:
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I doubt that you've ever lived in wh


Haha. UR funny
Bibosikus
Air
#9 - 2012-02-07 18:13:19 UTC
You'll also find that system residents who are well-organised commonly have at least one T2-ganglinked booster alt in Tengu/Loki/Legion sitting at a POS running up to 6 links. The strategic advantage in terms of pure ehp, manoeuvrability and long points from this cannot be understated.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-07 20:51:44 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Adhocracy ran gallente killdozer shield fleets; shield astartes, etc. Very brutal, and that was pre-buff.

Nullsec nano doctrines don't work too well. Aside from fights occurring at 5-20km range on a wormhole, if you have to drop in amongst Sleepers, you will get vaped instantly in a Dram, Cyna, etc (subject to numbers and who the sleepers target). If you aren't prepared to drop in amongst sleepers, you're a sissy and should go back to k-space. Add to this most nano ships lack the DPS to drop enemies quickly, you spend a lot of time zooming about and achieve nothing. Then doubletap yourself and die.

HAM legion is very popular for armour fleets. Armour fleets are very popular - moreso than nullsec where their maneuverability is a hindrance. Now they've fixed the shield drop on jump in, I suspect shield fleets will become more popular once people do the maths on it.

Tier 3 BC's...well, you'll see gank Talos and blaster Nagas, occasional pulse Oracles for ganking. Very few Tornados - because alphafleet is a fail doctrine in w-space. You (almost) never get the numbers needed to make alpha doctrine work, and you can't get to range fast enough and survive the DPS with these paper-thin gunboats.

You will also see a lot more hyperions, domis and typhoons washing about w-space than nullsec, where their close-range DPS is king. Maelstroms are somewhat less popular, again because they are alphafleet ships, and active tanking will get you killed in w-space PVP. I think the Rokh is going to be stepping up to popularity with the hybrid buff and shield leadership bonus buff.

sound more like 0.0 blob
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-08 01:39:56 UTC
You will find that all the large WH powers will use basically the same short range, high DPS armour T3 fleets supported by Guardians or a triage Archon and Bhaalgorns with a Damnation running boosts and a Devoter or 2 for bubbles.

CCRES was the first group to start flying around in T3s and Guardians way back when in their prime.
They were shortly followed by AHARM and RnK, with both of these adding the now crucial Bhaalgorns to their fleets.

In more recent time, this fleet setup is flown by pretty much everyone who has the skills and ISK base to be able to.
These groups include NorCorp, Adhocracy, Narhwals and Exhale.

There are groups that fly Tengu heavy shield fleets with Basi support.
They mainly include pretty much all Russians in WHs and all the carebears who live in Pulsars.
While these fleets do work, they lack the ewar/tackle capabilities or armour fleets and won't hold up in an even numbers fight.
They also don't hold up against sleepers nearly as well as the armour T3s due to larger sigs and active hardeners which is an issue if you're jumping people in a site.

Longer range battleships do have a useful role in home WH defence but their mass makes them unsuitable for WH roaming PVP.

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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#12 - 2012-02-08 05:16:20 UTC
LacLongQuan wrote:

I doubt that you've ever lived in wh


I doubt you've ever made a PVP kill.

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LacLongQuan
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-08 05:46:18 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
LacLongQuan wrote:

I doubt that you've ever lived in wh


I doubt you've ever made a PVP kill.

it's called forum alt
Limvala Adur
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-08 11:37:47 UTC
No idea what the guys above are talking about. I'm usually ordered by the FC to pop a cyno and we blob with Dreads and Carriers. Mostly Moroses, those things are OP as hell.
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-02-08 13:10:55 UTC
Limvala Adur wrote:
No idea what the guys above are talking about. I'm usually ordered by the FC to pop a cyno and we blob with Dreads and Carriers. Mostly Moroses, those things are OP as hell.

cool story, bro
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-02-08 15:21:01 UTC
Diplomatic skills, such as mine, are key to wormhole prosperity.
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GM Panzer
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2012-02-08 21:45:22 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Camp the HS exit WH all day long. Jump if you get shot back. Spam the copypaste monkeys with petitions if you get flagged in highsec and killed.


I'll copy-paste you into a pod if I ever see you on my player char ;)
h0t b4b3
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-02-09 04:30:07 UTC
GM Panzer wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Camp the HS exit WH all day long. Jump if you get shot back. Spam the copypaste monkeys with petitions if you get flagged in highsec and killed.


I'll copy-paste you into a pod if I ever see you on my player char ;)



haha Big smile
WatsonMayte
New Imperial Legion
#19 - 2012-02-09 06:00:59 UTC
GM Panzer wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Camp the HS exit WH all day long. Jump if you get shot back. Spam the copypaste monkeys with petitions if you get flagged in highsec and killed.


I'll copy-paste you into a pod if I ever see you on my player char ;)


But the kill won't register as the logs show nothing

This is a signature
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#20 - 2012-02-09 08:56:52 UTC
GM Panzer wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Camp the HS exit WH all day long. Jump if you get shot back. Spam the copypaste monkeys with petitions if you get flagged in highsec and killed.


I'll copy-paste you into a pod if I ever see you on my player char ;)


FRAPS or it didn't happen in the future if it ever does happen.

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