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Zornia Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-08 20:33:53 UTC
I'm just a few days from completing all my Core certificates except Advanced Weapon Upgrades. Which will take an additional 24 days and 9 hours to completeCry. Besides needing it for Marauders which I won't be considering for at least 6 to 9 months is there anything else it is required for? I realize it will give me an additional 2% for fitting turrets but is it that critical with some fits I may ever need that 2%? I'd like to improve my drone and spaceship command skills but before I do I wanted to get most of my Core and Defense Certs out of the way as I can. Just not sure I'm prioritizing all this correctly.
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#2 - 2012-02-08 21:26:23 UTC
AWU at level 5 will open up some fitting options that are only available through penalizing yourself (e.g having to fit a +powergrid rig instead of something more useful) or having to use +powergrid hardwirings, but generally AWU at level 4 will be enough for most fits one may consider viable.

If i were you, i'd train AWU to level 4 and and then begin on the drone and spaceship command skills. There's also the possibility that whatever you are currently flying won't be massively improved by AWU at all - if this is the case, you can focus on other skills that provide a more useful immediate benefit instead and you can prioritize accordingly. But in the longer run, getting AWU to at least 4 is a smart thing to do.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-02-08 21:27:49 UTC
Reduces the powergrid needs of weapon turrets and launchers by 2% per skill level.

At level 5 that's 10% which will help for doing T2 fit up. Basically all the core fitting skills are important and will help make fitting up ships much easier.

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Maia Demoncast
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-08 21:34:44 UTC
AWU is an important skill and you will need if you want to T2 fit everything. However if you don't need it for a fit you really want as soon as possible then there is no need to get to lvl 5 right this moment. Vast majority of good fits will work just fine with it at lvl4, and you will benefit more from training other support skills in the meantime. If you don't know whether or not your fit requires AWU lvl5 you should download EFT and check: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359.
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-08 21:35:42 UTC
I already have AWU at level 4. Its getting it to level 5 that takes sooo dang long. Wasn't sure it was really worth at this time. Thanks for the advise.
Malcom Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-09 13:42:06 UTC
My take on this is that if there is a fit that you really want to fly and not having AWU V is preventing you from flying that fit then it is worth it. If there are other skills you could train that would make a lesser fit perform the same(ish) (T2 gun fit and train AWU V vs. Meta 4 gun fit and train surgical strike up a bit for example) then you would probably be better off training up different skills.

Also, if you're off on holiday for a couple of weeks or something any time soon you could throw it on to train then, that's what I often do with long train time skills.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#7 - 2012-02-09 17:44:27 UTC

AWU V was the first "long skill" (18+ days) I trained. I have NEVER regretted training it.

Is level 5 a must? -- There are many fits that "require" AWU V. In my experience, this is most common in frigate fittings, although I can think of several larger hulls that also need AWU V to squeeze in the fit. Your prefered ships and weapon system plays a role in the importance of this skill (i.e.: autocannons are easy to fit than blasters, and some ships are very PG limited, thereby "needing" the extra PG AWU V can offer).

I'd like to point out, it's NOT the skill that is "required," but the extra PG the skill provides. You can almost always get that extra PG by using a "Squire" PG Hardwiring implant (espeically if you have AWU IV). These range in price from 1m for 1% PG, 20m for 3% PG, and 100+m for even more PG. Spending 20m for a 3% implant and then putting your 4 weeks of training into something more enjoyable is an excellent option... However, if you're partaking in "risky" behavior (venturing into nullsec), then the chances of losing your POD (and hence implants) are very high, and the continual cost of implants becomes non-negligible.

So, is AWU V worth it?
-- If you only live in Hisec, then probably no.
-- If you PvP in nullsec, then probably yes.


Kraven Stark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-09 17:52:12 UTC
Are people recommending such a focus on certificates these days? They do absolutely nothing for you and can cause you to become heavily wrapped up in a line of training that will have little relative impact on your character compared to focusing your training based on what your current ship or equipment goals are.
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#9 - 2012-02-09 18:24:50 UTC
In the long run AWU is a very useful skill and you will eventually want to train it to 5.

In the short term, look at the ships/fits that you want to fly and see if the skill is even necessary to fly the ship effectively. There might be some other skills that would benefit you more within the next 20-30 days.

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#10 - 2012-02-09 19:33:05 UTC
Kraven Stark wrote:
Are people recommending such a focus on certificates these days? They do absolutely nothing for you and can cause you to become heavily wrapped up in a line of training that will have little relative impact on your character compared to focusing your training based on what your current ship or equipment goals are.



I wouldn't say certificates do NOTHING for you, since they generally give you an idea of what sort of skills are useful for a specific ship. That said, I wouldn't stick to them religiously, either, since some ships have recommended certificates that might not be useful to you at all.

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School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-09 21:40:15 UTC
Kraven Stark wrote:
Are people recommending such a focus on certificates these days? They do absolutely nothing for you and can cause you to become heavily wrapped up in a line of training that will have little relative impact on your character compared to focusing your training based on what your current ship or equipment goals are.


I'm biased towards the whole certificates too. Yes they are nice to take a look at when you wonder what to skill but there are also a lot of certificates which will let you train long skills you will not use in the end very much.

So personally I use them more as a guideline, see what skills are in them and then look if those skills help my ships / fits in EVEHQ a lot, if not those skills go on the "non priority" skillplan.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2012-02-09 23:02:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Besides Marauders, AWU 5 is prerequisite for Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration, which is required to use a dreadnought siege module.

Otherwise AWU is worth the time investment if you've ever run out of grid.

I try to train Core Competency Elite and Core Fitting Elite on all my characters. They make life easier. Nearly all of the other certificates are a little wacky by the elite level.