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Science Vs Religion & The Insignificant Other

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#21 - 2012-02-08 18:46:21 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
AlleyKat, is another who does not seem to understand that the point of the post was the freedom to ask any question unimpeded by other ideals. Considering his response, one wonders if he even read the whole thing, because it looks like he typed a twitch response after he read "evolution"


Apologies if that is the impression you got. It wasn't the impression I intended to give you, but it is obviously the impression you got and for that, I can only apologise.

Sidus Isaacs wrote:
You seem to attempt to marginalized people disagreeing with you, (or posting critically of you), rather then presenting an argument to them. Or ignoring them.

I find that extremely disappointing from someone who wants to be taken seriously.


Eternum Praetorian wrote:
...does your browser not have a right click function that allows you to correct basic spelling mistakes? Straight


Congratulations for proving his and my mother fuckin' point: you life has and always shall be based on external interpretations of reality like a look-up table of accepted values in a given context as you perceive them to be correct. All the while you ignore the only thing that matters because it scares you.

AK

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-02-08 18:53:40 UTC
Actually, AlleyKat... I am just ignoring you because your posts do not make sense to me. Reason being, they don't seem to be addressing the content of my OP. I wouldn't try reading much more into it then that, because that is all there is to it. Ugh

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-02-08 18:57:09 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
AlleyKat, is another who does not seem to understand that the point of the post was the freedom to ask any question unimpeded by other ideals. Considering his response, one wonders if he even read the whole thing, because it looks like he typed a twitch response after he read "evolution"


on a poor understanding of evolution, and are the kind of thing that you'd find a very simple answer to if you bothered to do the research.



This is the second time that you have said this, and so I now invite you to site your sources.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#24 - 2012-02-08 19:11:00 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Example question 1. Obviously why does life exist at all?


Not relevant to your supposed topic. This is a question that science is quite happy to explore, and is currently working on. The only people refusing to allow discussion of this question are the anti-science conservatives.

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We don’t know, but there is a certain frustrating “well duh we (as well as all life) are here because evolution dictated it” resonating from the Sciencrats.


The fact that you personally find an answer frustrating has nothing to do with whether or not it is true.

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is this really the best way that we could have evolved?


There is no such thing as "best", beyond "best at making copies of itself'. And the answer is "yes", since if there was a better way to make copies of ourselves (that could have happened) we would be doing it right now.

The only reason this is a "forbidden question" for you is because you seem to have the popular misconception that evolution has goal, or some ideal perfect being that it is working towards. This is simply not true.

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Are there other forms that could have solved problems like flight and locomotion then the ones that we see?


Of course there are, but I really fail to see how modern science discourages thinking about this. In fact, this is a very popular question for speculation among biologists.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-02-08 19:12:12 UTC
Merin Ryskin, those look like opinions.
I assume you know what site your sources means, yes?

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#26 - 2012-02-08 19:12:18 UTC
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Could there be a reason why it is this way, and not the other way, that is as of yet unimagined?


This is a fundamentally stupid question. If this "reason" is something we haven't imagined yet, how can we be told not to investigate it? And how can you possibly answer anything other than "yes, there could be"?

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Eventually we popped up and commences killing everything that was really big, before it could, presumably, evolve into something even bigger, yet again… and thus we seemed to have inherited the earth (at least for a time)


This is completely incorrect. Go read about the square-cube law and how it puts some very strict limits on how big an organism can be. These extinction events did provide opportunities for some species, but they did NOT stop an unlimited and inevitable increase in size.

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Is this a natural pattern to this thing called “evolution” that would be repeated over and over, like some kind of path of least resistance model?


Of course there's a pattern, large organisms are clearly one possible method for creating an efficient self-replicating gene carrier, therefore if none exist in an environment it is pretty likely that one will evolve. Of course this is also true of medium-size life, small life, microscopic life, etc.




TL,DR: most of your questions have answers if you want to look for them, and none of them are controversial "banned topics" among scientists except in that some people get tired of discussing boring 101-level questions and want to move on to more interesting things.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#27 - 2012-02-08 19:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Merin Ryskin
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Merin Ryskin, those look like opinions.
I assume you know what site your sources means, yes?


If you're too lazy to spend a few minutes on google looking for the answers to your questions, I'm not going to spend a bunch of time documenting sources for things I've learned over years of reading about the subject.

Now, if you want to address some factual issues, fine, but if the best you can do is nitpick with "citation needed" signs, you're just a troll.


Also, you're a massive hypocrite since you haven't cited YOUR sources.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-02-08 19:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Also, you're a massive hypocrite since you haven't cited YOUR sources.


My post is ONLY about the freedom to ask questions.


Your post is about what you claim to be facts that not only answer all of my questions, but you seem to also be presenting that said facts (which you have failed to prove) make asking the questions I posed an act of the uneducated. So in this instance I do not have to prove anything, and the burden of proof is on you.


If you cannot present evidence supporting your counter argument, then it is nothing more then the angry posts of someone I happily made look stupid in previous threads, for similar reasons Big smileBig smileBig smile

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#29 - 2012-02-08 19:39:16 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
My post is ONLY about the freedom to ask questions.


So where is your citation for the claim that scientists are denying you the freedom to ask these questions?
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#30 - 2012-02-08 20:00:51 UTC
As per the Out of Pod Experience rules:

"Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics."

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