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4-HO-MET
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-08 17:38:39 UTC
i actually dont know what i want to do in EVE online. i thought of doing missions, that seems the only thing that isnt boring and brings profit. i wont trade or go mining.

what is that militia thing? how does it work? whats the money like?

do you earn any cash by PvPing ? maybe i should go pvp i dno.
Shi'on Uzuki
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-02-08 18:05:46 UTC
4-HO-MET wrote:
i actually dont know what i want to do in EVE online. i thought of doing missions, that seems the only thing that isnt boring and brings profit. i wont trade or go mining.

what is that militia thing? how does it work? whats the money like?

do you earn any cash by PvPing ? maybe i should go pvp i dno.



First, let me welcome you to EVE Online!

Mission running is kind of the de'facto way of earning ISK when you're starting out. It's fun, it's usually easy to do, and between salvaging the dead ship's wrecks and the mission rewards, the ISK can add up in a hurry.

As far as Factional Warfare, it's a system of PvP where two factions are at war with each other. You go into an area called Low Security space and literally 'claim' systems for your faction. You can read more about it here. I personally use to do it and still do from time to time, and I feel like it's a really really good way to get your feet wet in a controlled PvP environment.

Yes, you can earn ISK through PvP. Your ISK generation will come not from the actual killing, but by looting the other player's wreck for ammo, mods, etc, and either selling them or using them. Some sick ISK can be made that way.

I want to point you to a really good resource for new players in EVE called the ISK The Guide. It's the de'facto reference for all new players (and even some veteran players!) that will help you get oriented and learn some ropes in EVE, as well as show you all the things that you can do!


If you have ANY questions at all, please don't hesitate to ask! We're here to help.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2012-02-08 19:21:13 UTC
Shi'on Uzuki wrote:

Yes, you can earn ISK through PvP. Your ISK generation will come not from the actual killing, but by looting the other player's wreck for ammo, mods, etc, and either selling them or using them. Some sick ISK can be made that way.


Keep in mind that PvP is not easy, and you're going to lose your ship at least once. Always, always, always keep an up-to-date clone ready, and insure any ship you fly.

I'm very much against flying into low-sec without proper preparation; it's far too dangerous in the early life of your character and you're going to get absolutely crushed.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Kraven Stark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-08 19:54:44 UTC
If you are looking for more of the basic ropes and how to live in Hi-sec doing hi-sec things like mining, industry and missions, you should check out EvE University: http://www.eveuniversity.org/

If you are wanting to see the PvP side of things and are curious about the sections of space that "seem" scary, then I whole heartily recommend Open University of Celestial Hardship (OUCH). OUCH's recruitment channel is OUCH-UNI. Their corp ad page is here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7370

As you will be aware very soon, simply completing the tutorial doesn't help much in the way of focus. Joining a training corp will not only help ease you into various aspects of the game, they will also give you intelligent exposure to EvE's mechanics so you can make a more informed decision on what you want to do.

As Astrid pointed out, PvP can be somewhat off-putting as a new player. Once you learn how to setup smart bookmarks, you will quickly learn that low sec and 0.0 are not as scary as they once seemed.

One thing you should quickly come to terms with is that you will lose ships. You should never look at a ship as a permanent fixture for yourself. Being a completely new player, this may sound ridiculous and somewhat scary, but as you start to get your claws into some missions, mining or ratting, you'll quickly learn that, based on your income, a certain tier of ship will always be an easy purchase.

If you decide that you want to ease into the PvP side of things, feel free to hit me up in game on either Kraven Stark or Cyd Barrett.
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#5 - 2012-02-08 20:11:03 UTC
4-HO-MET wrote:
i thought of doing missions, that seems the only thing that isnt boring and brings profit.



This may well be the assumption that's causing you problems.

Whatever you do, join some of the ingame channels and socialize. Make friends and you'll find your place. Eve is an MMO and it's all about people.
4-HO-MET
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-08 20:16:17 UTC
could i pvp alone in low sec in drake ? i mean like a pirate harassing pilots on asteroid belts

warp disruptor is all i need for pvp right ?
Shi'on Uzuki
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-08 20:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Shi'on Uzuki
4-HO-MET wrote:
could i pvp alone in low sec in drake ? i mean like a pirate harassing pilots on asteroid belts

warp disruptor is all i need for pvp right ?


There's a LOT more that goes into it. I personally would never bring my Drake into lowsec PvP unless we were doing gang warfare. For my solo jollies I always fly a cheap frigate or possibly a destroyer. Mostly for maneuverability and the ability to gtfo fairly quickly if things turn ugly.


If you're looking to learn some PvP, I would definitely recommend talking to Kraven up above and hanging out with the OUCH gang, at least for a little while. I know them to be a quality group.
Plutonian
Intransigent
#8 - 2012-02-09 05:15:04 UTC
4-HO-MET wrote:
could i pvp alone in low sec in drake ? i mean like a pirate harassing pilots on asteroid belts

warp disruptor is all i need for pvp right ?


Start out in T1 frigates if you're going solo. Learn the basics in the cheap stuff. Save the BC until you know what you're doing.

Be sure to google for the pirate PvP blogs. They'll help you on your way.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-09 07:03:58 UTC
4-HO-MET wrote:
could i pvp alone in low sec in drake ? i mean like a pirate harassing pilots on asteroid belts

warp disruptor is all i need for pvp right ?


Solo PvP tends to be for more advanced players. Almost nobody starts a fight unless they figure they can win it - except newbies who can't properly assess the risks involved in a given encounter. As such, you're better off getting in with a gang for this and gangs either split the loot (small shares) or put it into their corporation.

With respect to PvP and earning - Faction Warfare offers probably the best options in this area. In general, income = PvE, costs = PvP. FW offers good income options with the mix of PvE and PvP -- especially early on. You can earn and fight in this portion of the game. Most other early PvP options, you'll need to kill a lot of targets just to pay for your losses. (very, very few replacement programs cover what a player fits vs a portion of it. A good sized part? Sure but only a portion and new players really do need income)

When you have solid SP and hands-on skills, you may want to look into other PvP areas as potentials for earning. Such things as living in wormholes, operating out of nullsec, etc. But early on, your best bet for keeping the isk flowing would be to stick to PvE or look at PvP where you won't be alone as a newbie/easy target - that's where FW can come into play.

IMO - best advice: Find a "good fit" corporation to join. EVE is primarily a social game and it doesn't retain many players interest if they are just soloing it all the time. That tends to get boring, whether trying PvE or PvP.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-09 08:21:53 UTC
I'm by no means a "new" player (started in 2005) and even with effectively endless purse to fund ships, I don't think solo PvP in lowsec is a very good idea.

It can be done - you might catch something soft alone in a fast ship and score some kills - but in most cases you just end up playing cat and mouse with small groups of lowsec dwellers that you cannot possibly engage profitably. As a new player the far more likely scenario is that you get blown up (repeatedly). While this is a fine way to get your feet wet as long as you fly eminently disposable ships (=T1 frigates or destroyers, pretty much), the reality is that if you are serious about low sec PvP, you need some friends.

Granted, leeroying into lowsec with a disposable frig is one way of finding potential friends. Just read up how gate guns and station guns work first so you don't get popped by them as you test out your weaponry on the locals.
Plutonian
Intransigent
#11 - 2012-02-09 23:10:23 UTC
Mocam wrote:
Almost nobody starts a fight unless they figure they can win it - except newbies who can't properly assess the risks involved in a given encounter.

Not always true. I'm a veteran solo PvP'er who can't properly assess the risks involved in a given encounter. Lol As such I tend to get popped by younger players.


Quote:
It can be done - you might catch something soft alone in a fast ship and score some kills - but in most cases you just end up playing cat and mouse with small groups of lowsec dwellers that you cannot possibly engage profitably. As a new player the far more likely scenario is that you get blown up (repeatedly). While this is a fine way to get your feet wet as long as you fly eminently disposable ships (=T1 frigates or destroyers, pretty much), the reality is that if you are serious about low sec PvP, you need some friends.


I disagree. In the last two months of fighting, I've not been blobbed a single time. And I've been fighting in the pirate hubs.

A strange counter-culture has formed around T1 frigates. They've become something of a 'good fight' class.

You can go to Hevrice, and generally a Tusker will down-ship to fight your frigate 1v1. I've yet to hear of any Tusker dishonoring such a duel. My first time entering Hevrice in a Rifter, my scan showed interceptors and assault frigs in space... and only Tuskers in the system. A few moments later everything docks up, and a lone Rifter appears. When I thanked him for keeping it 1v1 (after he literally killed the utter **** out of my ship), he said "Best answer for a Rifter is another Rifter." I have a great deal of respect for such an organization.

In the Amamake area you can find Karl Planak (I hope I spelled that right) or Dorian. Both seem to always be up for a T1 frigate fight. They don't call in backup, and very nice people. They're damn good pilots too. Also AirFrame in Egg.

Black Rebel Rifter Club, obviously, seems to love Rifters. I've just set up some BM's in Helid, and look forward to gloriously losing scads of Rifters to them. Any time I have ever met a BRRC pilot in other regions, he/she has never called in backup.

These are just the three big groups I've encountered. There's tons more I've yet to find. In addition, you can always hit me up for a T1 frig fight. I'm a rather poor pilot, so you've a good chance no matter what your age. Lol
Utsen Dari
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-02-10 05:59:04 UTC
Most of the skillset in keeping oneself alive in areas that aren't hisec is threat recognition and situational awareness, rather than ship piloting in the heat of battle. If you plan to make a career of losec battle, go out in a few really cheap ships first to practice scanning around and locating other ships, making tactical and safe bookmarks, and traveling around safely first.

Before you become the hunter first you have to learn how to not be easy prey.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2012-02-10 10:25:52 UTC
Utsen Dari wrote:
Before you become the hunter first you have to learn how to not be easy prey.


I would actually say the opposite. Before becoming "prey" (see: "carebear") you should first try to be a "hunter" and learn "hunter tactics."

How did you Veterans start?