Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There's no such thing as a weapons lock in Eve, there's simply a targeting lock. And what you're proposing would allow people to shoot anyone who even looks at them, which is pretty stupid (also, with the way that you have it worded, gankers could exploit the auto-target-back feature to gank people without any penalties at all).

So your proposal would actually make gankers even safer.

Thank you dear gentlemen for mentioning that my suggested weapon lock is not already implemented. I am quite happy that I did not suggest a change in game mechanics which has already been made.

But sorry to correct you, actually you can look quite fine at anyone around you without targeting them. Acquiring target lock is naturally an aggressive act. Furthermore eve does setup a warning message on every action which would lead to getting aggression, so naturally newbies would be protected from accidently making themselves to their whole surroundings flashy-red.
Deactivating auto-targeting as default settings sounds still like a good idea.




I have to disagree. Still my disagreement is besides the point, as your argument is invalid. You actually do not explode instantaneous just because someone is allowed to shoot at you. Actually with this change you would get a warning a few seconds before someone shoots at you, which is more than you get now. If you do lock someone on mistake, you have (in most cases) still plenty of time to warp off.

Still I would suggest to be careful if you are piloting a freighter as in this case just warping off could proof to be not as fast as desired.

If you lock a combat ship by mistake while piloting a industrial ship (which as i mentioned is VERY easy when things get laggy), then you are as good as dead. I fail to see how this is a good idea, and besides, gankships are fast lockers anyway, your idea will do nothing to stop them.

Also having two seperate types of lock is just bad, and it just adds a pointless level of complexity to doing almost anything. Imagine you're in a fleet fight, and you're flying fast tackle and try to catch a fleeing enemy, only you misclick and find you cant point him, or you are a logi pilot, who needs to get reps on a someone fast, but you misclick and cant rep him. Like I said, bad.

I love this idea. I won't lose nearly as many brutixes to CONCORD. +1

So when a logistics ship targets you suddenly you are allowed to shoot at it.

Also, what this would allow me to do is kill every single person who has auto-target enabled.

No you are not dealing with a mentally challenged person, but I'm getting the impression that I probably am... Now, on to deciphering the pile of fail you have just presented me with:

• Firstly, presently there is only one way to target something in EVE.


• Secondly, you do not target a container to loot it, you select it, then open it, at no point do you lock it.


• Thirdly, presumably, under your plan, there would be two different targeting options to select from either a right click menu, or the overview, or hot keys etc, one for weapons lock, one for 'normal' locking. This is where the ability to misclick come from.

Edit: This post is referring to your idea for a seperate weapons lock, your idea for targeting agro has been proven to be bad already, by many different people.

My reaction to this idea: TARGET EVERYONE.

Seriously, just sit on perimeter and target every ship that comes along and see who targets me back. I don't care if they shoot me or not, they got aggression with my corp and will die on the other side. This would lead to utter chaos in highsec, and would be a LOT of fun for the three days it was implemented before CCP ran out of meth and realized what they'd done.

... because people put the effort into finding and alpha-striking those who have put little effort into their own safety.



I think that's rather the point... hence the term "gank" at the end of "suicide gank."



And yet despite it being "boring" so many people QQ on the EVE General Discussion forum and/or make proposals to nerf it in the Assembly Hall and Features & Ideas boards.
Clearly the action is so boring that people just want to remove it or punish the action even more.



Let me start by saying that this idea would be a boon for the aggressor... all they have to do is show up in a combat capable ship, lock up a target, and hope that the "victim" has left his/her auto-target option still on... and if not, suicide gank anyways.
I'd put money down on something similar happening with "ninja-salvagers"

Now as far as your counter argument that, "people can just turn off the auto-target" and "people don't have to target at all," I feel I must point out that a LARGE chunk of players are ignorant of the aggro mechanics as they currently are (outside of known/obvious trolls, how else can you explain so many QQ threads saying "i got violenced, wat happen?").
I can also support this claim with a good amount of personal experience in Faction Warfare and just roaming around low-sec in general. Quite often, we get nubbins (who sometimes have been playing for months, even YEARS) who have not turned off their auto-targeting setting, have not fiddled with their overview (which, to be fair, is quite daunting and confusing at first), and "accidentally" shoot a friendly that has targeted them and is giving remote effects (according to one nubbin, "it looks all the same!").

You idea won't "help people fight back" as you intend. It will actually skew things more in favor of aggressors and leave less margin for ignorance/error on the part of the victims.

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