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Piracy in todays EVE
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Zenith Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-18 19:30:39 UTC
How well it is going? Is there action? Any old school pirates left?
Vandir Rael
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-09-18 21:37:09 UTC
Zenith Intaki wrote:
How well it is going? Is there action? Any old school pirates left?

Last week i moved for few days in a low-sec system just to see if i could find a way to have fun with a throw-away rifter, to my great surprise i got 4 kills in the first two days...
However in the following days i only saw blobs and got bored Roll
KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-18 21:55:19 UTC
Vandir Rael wrote:
Zenith Intaki wrote:
How well it is going? Is there action? Any old school pirates left?

Last week i moved for few days in a low-sec system just to see if i could find a way to have fun with a throw-away rifter, to my great surprise i got 4 kills in the first two days...
However in the following days i only saw blobs and got bored Roll


This, essentially. Piracy in lowsec goes from being epic with loads of goodfites to being **** and blobby; it's the nature of the game. Honestly I would do as the above poster; get a throw away ship (in fact, get a few) and just fly around looking for fights. You'll have a blast and you'll be frustrated to tears but I personally like it.

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#4 - 2011-09-19 00:11:53 UTC
heh people think they get blobed when it's a 10 man gang that's ganking them.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#5 - 2011-09-19 01:01:29 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
heh people think they get blobed when it's a 10 man gang that's ganking them.


heh people doesn't think that definitions are a floating subjective thing

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#6 - 2011-09-19 02:14:18 UTC
Blob is a relative term, to me it means bringing far more than is needed. That can be 10v1 or 20v10, it's not a set ratio or number. This is not to be confused with overshipping, ie bringing 10 BS's to take on 10 BC's.

Anyways, there are a few old school pirates left but the list I know of is getting pretty short. I'm not very active but I still do a bit of solo loot/ransom/tear extraction. It isn't what it once was though. There are far fewer targets of opportunity and a whole lot more blobbing going on. Much of solo pvp these days revolves around trying to pluck off fast tacklers and bait ships right out from under the blobber's noses. I find myself in a lot more standoffs than actual fights when I do go out looking for trouble. Even worse is that even successful pirating is far less lucrative. Reduction in ship values, insurance changes and especially the rig changes a while back really cut into what you could get for a ransom.

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Issac Haydron
Doomriders.
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#7 - 2011-09-19 03:44:23 UTC
pirates be dead.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-09-19 07:28:58 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
Blob is a relative term, to me it means bringing far more than is needed. That can be 10v1 or 20v10, it's not a set ratio or number. This is not to be confused with overshipping, ie bringing 10 BS's to take on 10 BC's.

Anyways, there are a few old school pirates left but the list I know of is getting pretty short. I'm not very active but I still do a bit of solo loot/ransom/tear extraction. It isn't what it once was though. There are far fewer targets of opportunity and a whole lot more blobbing going on. Much of solo pvp these days revolves around trying to pluck off fast tacklers and bait ships right out from under the blobber's noses. I find myself in a lot more standoffs than actual fights when I do go out looking for trouble. Even worse is that even successful pirating is far less lucrative. Reduction in ship values, insurance changes and especially the rig changes a while back really cut into what you could get for a ransom.


This - You'd know a blob when you saw it..

10 man gangs are just that gangs.. Probably some good fights to be had 10v10. These fights can be found in Null-sec but more some from log ons and help coming. It gets good when you start taking in fleet composition. Gives the enemy something to actually try and counter..

It's when you and your 5 man gang engage on 3 others and suddenly see local flood with Nyx's and ****.. BLOB
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#9 - 2011-09-19 08:47:31 UTC
I hope it depends where and when you fly to be honest.

Piracy where I fly right now is hard but not dead. I am not sure if that's a personal issue. I have noticed that as my sec status got worse finding solo piracy opportunities dried right up so now people only engage me when they have a superiority. That's not because I'm big and scary, it's just good defence and to be fair when I fly with my corpies I'd do the same.

That said, my local low sec has become increasingly difficult to players like me. Just moving about needs a scouting alt for anything that can't get away from a fast lock gate camp. When you do find targets they are usually faction warfare vets and at the FW missions so very, very hard to pin down.

Of course newbs are still about in the border low sec regions now and then.. in less numbers than I remember when I started out anyway (which wasn't that long ago). Piracy on newbs though is crap because they have nothing, don't know what's going on and tears consist of no words, just log off and never come back.

So yeah, I probably make it hard on myself but by doing so I like to think I have learnt faster that way. However I haven't met another pirate in months.... nor has anyone attempted to pirate my ass either.

Is Piracy dead? Unsure, I do know it's rare now though.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-19 09:48:06 UTC
i cant think of any good reason to ever pay a ransom
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-19 10:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Taurean Eltanin
Piracy is alive and well in low sec.

A rocky road, to be sure, but I, and several members of my corp, manage to support ourselves purely on the proceeds of our crimes.

If you are interested in finding out more about "how well it is going" you could do far worse than to check out the blogs linked from my own blog : http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.com/

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-09-19 10:02:42 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
i cant think of any good reason to ever pay a ransom


Caught with decent implants sing a different toon.. its all in the implants
Miriam Sasko
Matari Exodus
#13 - 2011-09-19 10:19:42 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
i cant think of any good reason to ever pay a ransom

Because, at least if you are tackled by a corp/group with a good reputation, it is of mutual benefit. They make more isk and do not have to bother sell ing stuff, and you lose less, do not have to spend time in Jita/Rens/Amarr/Dodixie fitting up a replacement and do not show up on killboards, which, besides stat polishing, potentially denies intel to other hostiles.

Of course, that also requires you to not view other players as enemies but as people you play a game with who just happened to draw the longer straw this time, which can be hard sometimes. Personally, i have paid ransom exactly once, and that was in late 2009. Recently, there have been no requests/opportunities, and the number of groups I would pay to has diminished dramatically.

As for the original post/question: Piracy appears have moved over to large well-organized gate camps. I hardly ever see ships in belts these days, but then, I don't pay much attention to frigs.

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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#14 - 2011-09-19 18:42:01 UTC
Piracy is alive and well. And great fun ^^
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-09-19 18:55:10 UTC
Piracy is going strong.

We have just been forced to adapt to a few things.



Also, a "blob" means bringing more than enough to fight your selected target. It can be as small as bringing 3 Drakes to kill a Rifter, and as big as 50 Battleships and 10 Carriers to kill a 20 man BC gang.

I am not one of those ppl who yell "blob! blob!" every time I get killed. It has to be an absurd amount dropped on me. Also, if you're out solo or in a small gang and you jump into a large fleet... they didn't blob you. You're just really stupid and deserve to be blown up.

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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-19 20:49:15 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
i cant think of any good reason to ever pay a ransom


Caught with decent implants sing a different toon.. its all in the implants


But seriously what nullsec pilot flies with expensive implants in. We expect to ride the splat cannon fairly regularly.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-09-19 20:49:15 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
Blob is a relative term, to me it means bringing far more than is needed. That can be 10v1 or 20v10, it's not a set ratio or number. This is not to be confused with overshipping, ie bringing 10 BS's to take on 10 BC's.


This is actually a great way of looking at it.

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Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-09-20 06:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsubutai
Depends on what you mean by piracy, tbh. Assuming you just mean pvp'ing in lowsec with the intention of making a profit, it's still perfectly viable. The two most profitable pvp activities I've undertaken in lowsec are, in order:

Ganking faction/deadspace-fit T3s and whatnot in missions or plexes
Killing faction/deadspace-fit (pirate) faction frigates in scrubby AFs

Of these, the first is all about non-consensual boat violence and the second is almost entirely consensual - you find a, uh... client in a shiny pvp ship, waggle what looks like an easy target at him until he chooses to engage you, and then proceed to tear him to pieces with said "easy target." Since the fights are consensual in that both parties make the decision to engage, you could say that it's not really piracy per se (and from an RP-ish standpoint, I guess I agree) but w/e, it pays the bills.


edit: oh, and Rothgar's comments about ze blob are pretty much spot-on, although I'd add that different areas of space have different (for want of a better phrase) carrying capacities - if you're rolling through an area of space where most of the residents field 5-10 man gangs and you're bringing 30, it's pretty much inevitable that you'll be regarded as blobbers since none of the locals will be able to match your numbers. On the other hand, that sort of thing tends to be a self-correcting problem in lowsec because it's almost impossible to force people to take a fight they don't want, and so the locals will either figure out a way of killing you anyway or simply avoid you until your gang sizes contract or your members get bored and start looking for a new home.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-09-20 08:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
[quote=Mfume Apocal]i cant think of any good reason to ever pay a ransom


Caught with decent implants sing a different toon.. its all in the implants..

But seriously what nullsec pilot flies with expensive implants in. We expect to ride the splat cannon fairly regularly.


That's half your problem right there.. Flying to die.. Probably why I see suicide ganking some what distatseful. Although I see where people are drawn to it..

And ya wonder why Red Alliance is tramping through SOVs
Ryuce
#20 - 2011-09-20 09:14:40 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
[quote=Mfume Apocal]i cant think of any good reason to ever pay a ransom


Caught with decent implants sing a different toon.. its all in the implants..

But seriously what nullsec pilot flies with expensive implants in. We expect to ride the splat cannon fairly regularly.


That's half your problem right there.. Flying to die.. Probably why I see suicide ganking some what distatseful. Although I see where people are drawn to it..

And ya wonder why Red Alliance is tramping through SOVs

Having noticed your general posting quality for a while now and having taken a quick browse through your KB's loss section, makes me wonder; maybe you shouldn't be making these kinds of statements. Judging by your fittings and general game knowledge you seem to be one of the guys "Flying to die", just saying.
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