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[EM] Joining the Militia

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#1 - 2012-02-07 18:31:58 UTC
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Electus Matari to join the Minmatar Militia
Pator, Kulheim RSS, 114.02.06

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Electus Matari, an alliance known for its allegiance to the Minmatar Republic and its anti-piracy work, is going to join the Minmatar Militia. "Our people are at war - we are here for the Republic", states Alliance Leader CJ Walker of Snow Leopard Lodge, Clan Avenar, Brutor Tribe.

However, pirates in Republic space should not breathe a sigh of relief, as the alliance leader also explains that it is not Electus Matari's intent to focus solely or even primarily on Militia work, but to keep up other normal operations beside. "I don't want to see the proud name of Electus Matari to fade into obscurity as just another militia corp", she says.

While expected to happen since alliances have been allowed to join, the decision comes only after lengthy internal discussions. In addition to the concern that Electus Matari standard operations might suffer from easily-available Militia work, some pilots in the alliance are worried that losing access to hostile regions and the changing conditions in low-security will hamper industrial operations.

This concern is not, however, universal. "I live in lowsec space, and we have been in wars more or less constantly since I joined. We are used to being paranoid", says a member from Bionesis Technologies. Another pilot from Gradient adds: "And you can get anything you need from Rens; Jita is over-rated."

Electus Matari current standings list includes "red" corporations in the Minmatar Militia. No changes are planned to standings policies. Head Diplomat Mikkel Lybecker has promised, however, that all such red standings will be reviewed and hopefully some of them removed, in the weeks following the alliance's entry into the Militia. Patience is requested from those involved, as the changing status of the alliance causes an excess of diplomatic workload.

Despite some concerns and the emphasis on maintaining normal operations, most pilots look forward to being in the Militia. "Protecting the Republic is our identity", explains one. "I like more flashy", summarizes another. No plans for specific Militia-related campaigns have been released at this point. Electus Matari is currently also involved in CONCORD-wars with pirate organizations.

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Electus Matari is an alliance of independent corporations united in the purpose of supporting and strengthening the Minmatar Republic. They are known among other things for their anti-piracy work and industrial support of loyalist corporations.

For more information see http://www.electusmatari.com/ or contact
- channel "EM - public" in your Neocom
- Mikkel Lybecker, alliance head diplomat
- CJ Walker, alliance leader
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2012-02-07 18:40:03 UTC
Glad to have you with us.

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Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#3 - 2012-02-07 18:41:43 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Glad to have you with us.


And we're proud to fly alongside you, Kala.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#4 - 2012-02-07 18:52:51 UTC
Welcome to the fight, captain.

Fly safe.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2012-02-07 19:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Ms Rhiannon,

In the hope to ask something constructive regarding the statement of your alliance, could you clarify the part refering to the renegociation of your KOS targets that are part of the TLF ?

In fact, two things are worth considering to my opinion, and I am pretty sure you have already discussed it internally countless times before taking your decision on the matter :

- If the KOS corporations/pilots that are part of the TLF continue to clash with your current policies, or if both parties can not reach an agreement to reset their mutual standings, are you going to change your policies or close your eyes on them by convenience ?

- If not, how are you going to deal with intra militia conflicts involving EM and other TLF entities (which means that you will have either to issue war declarations to avoid faction standing losses or suffer these standing losses) ?

Of course, you are probably aware of what kind of people you can find in the militias (thus, your KOS list). What are your stances on that matter ?
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2012-02-07 20:24:16 UTC
See you in space.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#7 - 2012-02-07 21:25:16 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ms Rhiannon,

In the hope to ask something constructive regarding the statement of your alliance, could you clarify the part refering to the renegociation of your KOS targets that are part of the TLF ?

In fact, two things are worth considering to my opinion, and I am pretty sure you have already discussed it internally countless times before taking your decision on the matter :

- If the KOS corporations/pilots that are part of the TLF continue to clash with your current policies, or if both parties can not reach an agreement to reset their mutual standings, are you going to change your policies or close your eyes on them by convenience ?

- If not, how are you going to deal with intra militia conflicts involving EM and other TLF entities (which means that you will have either to issue war declarations to avoid faction standing losses or suffer these standing losses) ?

Of course, you are probably aware of what kind of people you can find in the militias (thus, your KOS list). What are your stances on that matter ?


I would be interested in knowing the answer to this as well. There are numerous entities within the TLF which, while not straight-up pirate entities, operate under NBSI rules of engagement. We engage all targets of opportunity that are not explicitly friendly, as neutrals are very often in fact unfriendly, or working for the enemy or other entity.

I hope that -EM-'s membership in the militia will not create a schism between those who prefer NBSI policies and those who frown upon them.

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Gottii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-07 21:35:46 UTC
It is good to be with the warriors of the TLF once more.

For the Tribes.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#9 - 2012-02-07 22:20:59 UTC
Good luck to you Electus Matari, may your presence bolster the TLF's efforts.

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Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#10 - 2012-02-07 23:03:25 UTC
Sounds like the right move for EM.
Dracodarkhammer
DRACO Corporation
#11 - 2012-02-07 23:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracodarkhammer
Quote:

I hope that -EM-'s membership in the militia will not create a schism between those who prefer NBSI policies and those who frown upon them.


From a personal perspective, I would anticipate that this is an issue you will have to become used to. A presently well published example is The Obsidian Front (which is my personal perspective), that is also active against Amarrian groups, and despite half of the FRONT being focused on the more industrial aspects and not "pirating" (which is EM's underlying "reason" to "redlist" other groups) EM is actually engaging us. They basically do not care, as long as they have plenty of targets they can "legally" bloody murder for their own convenience, trying to cripple groups operating under NBSI for the Republic.

Of course, EM is always welcome to contact me personally to discuss my very own opinion - I would appreciate to be taught wrong.
Crazy Vania
EM Program for Training and Youth
#12 - 2012-02-07 23:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Crazy Vania
Quote:
A presently well published example is The Obsidian Front (which is my personal perspective), that is also active against Amarrian groups, and despite half of the FRONT being focused on the more industrial aspects and not "pirating" (which is EM's underlying "reason" to "redlist" other groups) EM is actually engaging us. They basically do not care, as long as they have plenty of targets they can "legally" bloody murder for their own convenience, trying to cripple groups operating under NBSI for the Republic.



Another well published fact is that The Obsidian Front is a bunch of chronic amnesiacs who keep forgetting that they actively supported a pirate corp against Electus Matari by prodiving neutral eyes and reps during a high sec war, who have provided multiple apologies and crappy diplomatic lies while it was happening, and kept doing it until EM wardecced their sorry ass.

Advice for any high sec industrial alliance: don't participate in any conflict if you're not prepared to make your industrials feel the potential consequences in high sec. EM was prepared, you weren't, end of story. Stop whining about it on IGS already.

One thing I always disliked when I was with EM is their extreme patience when dealing with potential reds or blue. They would take a lot of punishment while still trying to find a "good for the republic" solution.

One thing I always liked tho, was their very long memory.
Sanche Tehkeli
Bionesis Technologies
#13 - 2012-02-07 23:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Sanche Tehkeli
Dracodarkhammer wrote:
Quote:

I hope that -EM-'s membership in the militia will not create a schism between those who prefer NBSI policies and those who frown upon them.


From a personal perspective, I would anticipate that this is an issue you will have to become used to. A presently well published example is The Obsidian Front (which is my personal perspective), that is also active against Amarrian groups, and despite half of the FRONT being focused on the more industrial aspects and not "pirating" (which is EM's underlying "reason" to "redlist" other groups) EM is actually engaging us. They basically do not care, as long as they have plenty of targets they can "legally" bloody murder for their own convenience, trying to cripple groups operating under NBSI for the Republic.

Of course, EM is always welcome to contact me personally to discuss my very own opinion - I would appreciate to be taught wrong.


Sir, in my humble opinion you should let your representative talk about such matters, as your words may clash with his words.

On the original topic, I'm glad to be part of the Militia again. I'm glad we are now able to chase the non-outlaw amarr supporter without trespassing CONCORD rules. Duty and stance are in harmony.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#14 - 2012-02-08 00:17:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Eyob
Sanche Tehkeli wrote:

Sir, in my humble opinion you should let your representative talk about such matters, as your words may clash with his words.

On the original topic, I'm glad to be part of the Militia again. I'm glad we are now able to chase the non-outlaw amarr supporter without trespassing CONCORD rules. Duty and stance are in harmony.


I agree.

Regarding claims of neutral eyes, ill leave that with a discussion with EM, we did have HQ i set same system, and did have Republic Fleet in Pator send several pilot on Amarr killing missions, same as Republic Palament in lustrevik.

I think whats said is said, and no diplomacy will carry one in here.

Several Minmatar Militia corporations and alliances have contactes us today, and asked for support and blue standings, in which we have accepted.

What the future brings between Electus Matari and The Obsidian Front, time will tell. Regardless what we will support with what resources we have, to support a turn back for the minmatar repulic, and get Wolfbrigade out of Kamala, Lamaa, Kourm and Auga.

I hope Electis Matari, will consider how they will handle their red list while supporting, i can only imagine this could become a challange. Im glad to see EM activily support the TLF, not only with ships and mods, but force too.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#15 - 2012-02-08 00:19:07 UTC
I am very happy to see EM join the militia. Our differences aside I wish you the best in your future endeavours against the amarr.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#16 - 2012-02-08 02:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Eyob
Ok im concerned here, and would like to know abov question.

Fearless. Mercs, helpped BSI attacking a POCO yesterday, which we were helping defending for some blue friends, on the Matari party.

Today i see Fearless being blue to EM and united attacking our POCOs.

We have the pictures and killmails to support both cases, so are EM going to attack TLF who are on their red list?

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2012-02-08 06:04:36 UTC
Good to have you with us. \o/
Rorin Cutter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#18 - 2012-02-08 09:39:32 UTC
So there is nothing changed and you're still godless heathens?
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#19 - 2012-02-08 10:12:54 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I would be interested in knowing the answer to this as well. There are numerous entities within the TLF which, while not straight-up pirate entities, operate under NBSI rules of engagement. We engage all targets of opportunity that are not explicitly friendly, as neutrals are very often in fact unfriendly, or working for the enemy or other entity.
Electus Matari has for a while now set a number of NBSI entities in the TLF blue if they focus their work primarily on the Amarr and their "neutral" allies as opposed to primarily shooting random neutrals, because we value their work for the Republic more than the harm they do with their piracy. Things rarely are black and white, so we have decided such on a case-by-case basis.

I am aware of three active corporations in the Minmatar Militia we have red. One of them is (was?) mostly active in Evati camping gates and rarely participated in fights against the Amarr. The second we tried to contact repeatedly to negotiate blue standings after they engaged us, but never received a response. The third flat out refused mutual blue standings, stating they'd like to keep shooting us when it suits them. For the latter two groups, it most certainly was not lack of interest from our side to find a solution.

This policy might change now that we actually join the militia. Please do understand that this is new for us as well, and policies and practices that have formed and are in use for many years will take a while to be adapted and revised. They will be, though.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2012-02-08 11:19:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
As Commander Sadik explains, we have always been ready to negotiate with NBSI entities. Our standings policies do not require an organization to follow a NRDS policy; what it requires is that the entity commits no crimes in Republic space. Even if an organization technically allows shooting neutrals but in practice all they shoot is Amarr Militia, we will be willing to consider blue standings. We also as a policy do not consider piracy out of Republic areas our concern, even though the vast majority of our membership finds it objectionable everywhere.

These principles are unlikely to change now that we are in the Militia. What might change is that we will put (even) more energy into trying to negotiate mutually acceptable agreements with friendly Militia corporations. However, pirates and other criminals will not be safe from us by simply joining up on paper. Declaring CONCORD-wars to avoid standings losses is a strategic/tactical decision that will be made case-by-case by military commanders.

In other words, to quote the gentleman from CVA, nothing has changed much and we are still godless heathens.

I hope this answers the concerns. There is a separate thread for the Obsidian Front business, so I will not comment it here, beyond stating that any public arguing about it is likely to do more harm than good for any future negotiations.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Electus Matari
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