Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just make it so that ECM mods break the target lock, in the way that burst ecm works (without the aoe effect of course). Bam. Done. When you add on retargeting, particularly for bigger ships, the actual jam time can be over 30 seconds. The hassle of re-targeting is enough, especially since you could be interrupted by another ecm cycle. Reduce the cycle on ecm modules as well by adding a skill that reduces cycle time for ecm by 5% per level. Fine tuning would be needed to get this right of course, but possibly the cycle time (baseline) could be taken back to 15 seconds as well. It's worth a try!

Do not see the point of this post cause that is what ECM does for the cycle of the module. If the cycle is successful for the second cycle then it prevents the re target.

It prevents you relocking for 20 seconds. I propose that be removed, and possibly reduce the cycle time for ecms.


Wrong, they need fixing. It's okay to be be wrong, I won't hold it against you.

And with zero ECCM.

I propose that in order to balance this change all ECM ships are now capable of fitting doomsday weapons, and utilizing them on sub-capital ships.

You're an f-ing tosser mate.

I just came on to post that exact point

Bring a friend along with sensor damps (which are getting buffed soon anyway) and he'll futz the locking time of your enemies, and bam, you've got your permajam back again, just that now you have to like, co-ordinate with you fleet buddies to make it happen. And yeah I'm not 100% sure this is the solution either, but I wanted to put it on the table for CCP.

Reducing ECM cycle time would only make them better. In the same 20 seconds with current cycle time, you get one chance per jammer. With a 10 second cycle time you would get 2 chances, that is twice as many opportunities. Now say I'm in my Falcon with a 14 jam strength trying to jam a Drake (19 sensor strength). Currently I have a 26% chance to miss. With your solution, the chance of missing a jam within the same 20 seconds with that same jammer would be 7%.

I wold gladly give up my 20sec jam cycles for this, and then go fit a single remote sensor damp w/scan res script. Or, God forbid, fly with a bro in an Arazu that has lots of damps fit. Even when you finally lock, you can't keep it or more than a few seconds. Hell, this would even make multispecs useful.

For fun, lets try the mathz. 4x multispecs jam str ~9.3, cycle time of 10 seconds. Chance to miss vs Drake per cycle is 1-(9.3/19)=51%. Stagger the jammers so one fires every 2.5 seconds over the course of the previous time of 20 seconds means 8 attempts every 20 seconds (love the new cycle time). 51%^8=.46% chance to miss. Over the course of the 10 seconds required to fire all jammers once the chance to miss would be 6.8%.

OP is now my favorite person in the whole Eve Online universe.

That's the nature of the game. Weapon Disruptors don't help towards missiles. Defender Missiles don't help against guns. ECCM covers jamming. Just because you don't want to give up a mod for Anti ECM doesn't mean it needs to be changed.

ECM has a right to exist within game. I specialized in it because I like the nature of it. The Science & Electronic warfare aspect. Its a flavor. And I don't want it changed. The counter is in game for it and if you opt to neglect it you suffer when faced against it.

People don't like equipping warp core stabilizers to deal with scrambling but if they don't they pay the price.

I have no issues with ECM in it's current form, but I can see why people would like to change it.

Someone over on the-site-that-shall-not-be-named.com suggested that the sensor strength reduces the time that you are locked out. Something to the effect of Jam Time=20(Jam Strength/Sensor Strength) with a hard limit of 20 seconds.

I think that this is an acceptable comprimise with the stipulation that all jams are autohit just like every other ****ing EWAR.

BTW if this change goes through it'll break ECM so badly that you'll wish for the old system. Just saying.