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Margin Trading and Escrow questions

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Adnross Vidni
Ninja Kitty Productions
#1 - 2012-02-08 01:30:17 UTC
Hi all I have a quick question about margin trading and how escrow is used.

When a buy order is filled, is it first purchased with isk in escrow until all escrow is used and then uses isk in your wallet?

Or does the game only take a percentage from escrow and rest from the wallet to fill the order?

Thanks
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-08 01:35:20 UTC
Adnross Vidni wrote:
Hi all I have a quick question about margin trading and how escrow is used.

When a buy order is filled, is it first purchased with isk in escrow until all escrow is used and then uses isk in your wallet?

Or does the game only take a percentage from escrow and rest from the wallet to fill the order?

Thanks



Put simply: If 25% of the order is in escrow and the item costs 100. 25 will come from your escrow and 75 will come from your wallet.
Tidurious
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-02-08 03:46:04 UTC
I believe you missed the point of the question:

Let's say I have Margin Trading 5 and I place a buy order for 100 items for 1 ISK each. I leave the minimum required at one item, so people can sell any number they choose.

To recap, we now have 25 ISK in escrow. If someone tries to sell me, say, 10 units, will it take all 10 from escrow? OR, will it take 2.5 from escrow and also take 7.5 from my wallet?

The question is whether escrow is drained FIRST and then the wallet, or are they depleted at the same rate.

I don't know, but perhaps now someone can answer the question :)
Vientes Fenerre
Rokh Industries
#4 - 2012-02-08 04:32:15 UTC
Actually he did answer your question. Or to use your numbers: It will be 2.5 from escrow and 7.5 from your wallet.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-08 04:43:48 UTC
Except that the game doesn't actually behave this way. It is overly biased towards withdrawing money from escrow versus wallet. This means that you can wind up with much smaller escrow percentages than your margin trading skill level would imply. For instance, my trader currently has buy orders of 922 million and escrow of 41.6 million. Yes, I've been slacking off lately.
Tidurious
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-08 04:45:41 UTC
That is what I thought, Jacob. The game will use ISK in escrow FIRST, and then take from the wallet when this is gone. I believe, anyways. However, I'm not positive.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#7 - 2012-02-08 05:04:19 UTC
Currently I have 3% of my buy orders in escrow, but I haven't added significant orders so there has been no recent cash infusion. So welp? It's clearly favoring escrow cash, but I have no idea by how much. It also isn't depleting escrow 100% first either.
Vientes Fenerre
Rokh Industries
#8 - 2012-02-08 06:52:21 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Except that the game doesn't actually behave this way. It is overly biased towards withdrawing money from escrow versus wallet. This means that you can wind up with much smaller escrow percentages than your margin trading skill level would imply. For instance, my trader currently has buy orders of 922 million and escrow of 41.6 million. Yes, I've been slacking off lately.


Does it? Hmm I always took it for granted that it would use exactly the percentages which the margin trading skill suggests. Guess I have to test this.
malaire
#9 - 2012-02-08 09:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Tidurious wrote:
That is what I thought, Jacob. The game will use ISK in escrow FIRST, and then take from the wallet when this is gone. I believe, anyways. However, I'm not positive.

When I tested this game allways took appropriate % from escrow and rest from wallet, so I allways had exactly the % in escrow I should have.

I did not find a way to get my escrow below what I should have in escrow based on my Margin Trading skill, but then my testing wasn't that extensive.

I have heard that one could make e.g. 1 ISK buy order, then modify price to actual level, and only have < 1 ISK in escrow - but that didn't work for me. When I modified price game took needed extra ISK into escrow.

ps. I'm not sure how exactly this works if your Margin Trading skill changes while you have orders, but when I tested this I already had level V.

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Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-08 10:47:41 UTC
I've actually used this "mechanic" to place bids for high value, low trading volume items and then use high trading volume items to pump money out of escrow. How long ago was your test? Things may have changed. My whole trading career is only a little longer than 6 months.
malaire
#11 - 2012-02-08 10:49:43 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
I've actually used this "mechanic" to place bids for high value, low trading volume items and then use high trading volume items to pump money out of escrow. How long ago was your test? Things may have changed. My whole trading career is only a little longer than 6 months.

Within last 6 months definitely - I havn't been trading for long.

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Matalino
#12 - 2012-02-08 19:21:19 UTC
When an order is filled the ISK is taken first from escrow, and then from the wallet. Each order maintains its own escrow balance that is unaffected by other orders.

Some of the odd effects that this can cause include:
- Having an order cancel because you have insufficent funds in your wallet, while still having more funds in escrow.
- Having far more orders outstanding than your Margin Trading might naturally allow.