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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#501 - 2012-02-08 02:15:14 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
I've never seen so many assumptions in one OP


EVE is not a Science.

EVE is a Judiciary. Judicial matters are measured in Evidence.


Still.

I've never seen one person butcher logic that badly

The pie is a tautology

Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#502 - 2012-02-08 02:48:32 UTC
James 315 wrote:

Then the miners became convinced that I was none other than The Mittani himself. They accused me of being his alt, all the while hurling the most outrageous invective against the CSM Chairman. They said The Mittani was the root of all their woes, and an all-around dishonorable chap.

I want to be clear. These accusations are false. I am not now--nor have I ever been--an alt of The Mittani. I really don't see the resemblance, either. When condemning the botters, he spells "hisec" and I spell "highsec." Night and day.

Of course there have been rumors for many years, but in all that time not a single shred of evidence has been produced that I am The Mittani. Both The Mittani and I have explicitly stated that we are not the same person. What more do you need? Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. Let's put it to use here: Which is more probable, that I am The Mittani's alt or that I'm not? The answer is obvious.

Naturally, I have the greatest respect for The Mittani. Who doesn't? He is an inspiring figure to many. For a long time, people claimed that no Goon could ever be elected to the highest office in the Eve playerbase. The Mittani proved them all wrong. And he is very articulate.



Priceless. Laughing out loud. You inspired me, I will start killing miners after your inspiration.

Remove insurance.

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#503 - 2012-02-08 02:56:57 UTC
James 315 wrote:

Then the miners became convinced that I was none other than The Mittani himself. They accused me of being his alt, all the while hurling the most outrageous invective against the CSM Chairman. They said The Mittani was the root of all their woes, and an all-around dishonorable chap.

I want to be clear. These accusations are false. I am not now--nor have I ever been--an alt of The Mittani. I really don't see the resemblance, either. When condemning the botters, he spells "hisec" and I spell "highsec." Night and day.

Of course there have been rumors for many years, but in all that time not a single shred of evidence has been produced that I am The Mittani. Both The Mittani and I have explicitly stated that we are not the same person. What more do you need? Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. Let's put it to use here: Which is more probable, that I am The Mittani's alt or that I'm not? The answer is obvious.

Naturally, I have the greatest respect for The Mittani. Who doesn't? He is an inspiring figure to many. For a long time, people claimed that no Goon could ever be elected to the highest office in the Eve playerbase. The Mittani proved them all wrong. And he is very articulate.


it is inconceivable that the mittani would write that many words without one single tilde

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Mattikus Hemah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#504 - 2012-02-08 03:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mattikus Hemah
Idea
Caldari Acolyte
Shark Enterprises
#505 - 2012-02-08 04:44:22 UTC
Wow OP just pinned my epic lameass meter. Oh btw everybody in this game is a carebear, from the most elite PvPer to the empire indy toon, unless your ships and stuff magically appear in your hanger, your a carebear. Ok children class dismissed.
Magnificent Beast
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#506 - 2012-02-08 04:51:25 UTC
TS DR
Marshiro
MOE Corp
#507 - 2012-02-08 13:11:09 UTC
Up to the front for nice op~
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#508 - 2012-02-08 14:13:21 UTC
Amazing post, and the forum tears are incredible.

Hello, hello again.

Ayieka
#509 - 2012-02-08 15:44:46 UTC
i remember reading this a few months back, inspired me to suicide gank a few times. if i had the endless wealth, id be at it all day.
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
Corpse Disposal Services
#510 - 2012-02-08 15:57:53 UTC
CBA read your txt, ppl will still gank.
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#511 - 2012-02-08 17:16:11 UTC
What a load of bollocks from the op. I just read the first two long posts and just thought theirs no reasoning with this person. And I bet the past 28 pages is just each side telling the other their wrong
Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society
ESS Empire
#512 - 2012-02-08 17:22:38 UTC
People who suicide gank in high sec are utterly nut-less. If you ever think that suicide ganking a carebear is helping your low/null sec population you are dead wrong. You really think that a carebear will ever want to be a part of your corp/alliance/coalition after griefing the **** out of them?

As for the theory of getting rid of bots. You really aren't doing a damn thing. They mine so much ore and make so much isk a Hulk is a drop in the bucket to replace. Bots really are CCPs business to get rid of, and if they could do it, they would have already done it.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#513 - 2012-02-08 17:58:37 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
I've never seen so many assumptions in one OP


EVE is not a Science.

EVE is a Judiciary. Judicial matters are measured in Evidence.


Still.

I've never seen one person butcher logic that badly


Maybe but what is scary in EVE is, chances are if it's illogical it's probably true. It's suicide ganking. There is no logic in it. A Ret BPO is dirt cheap. I could replace my own Rets untill the end of EVE and never put ISK in the pocket of a null sec Bloc, yet they gank my Ret over and over. I lose, they lose, we all lose. So it is with the topic at hand. Lack of logic leads to illogical conclusions.
Ira Theos
#514 - 2012-02-08 18:42:06 UTC
Here's an illustration of the OP's point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDRbnmjzY7U&feature=related
Accidentally Myname
Path of Ascension
#515 - 2012-02-08 19:14:49 UTC
Wow Shocked

I'm just gonna smile and back away slowly.
FeralShadow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#516 - 2012-02-08 19:36:04 UTC
people suicide gank because they are just pissed off that people can be so ignorant as to think their super expensive ship is perfectly safe in high sec. Flaunting it all around out there, just asking for it to die.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Danel Tosh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#517 - 2012-02-08 19:41:06 UTC
while I can see your sence of morality against botters, I dont particularly understand the violence against the miner profession. when i first started EvE I was a miner. I started in my Navatas, then my Catylist, then my Retrever. I mined during Hulkageddon when the refined Ore sold the best and I was never AFK.
I would stare at the Grid watching for gankers and i kept my ship aligned to the station at all times. What i was doing wasint botting I was making an honest living in a favorable mineral market.
After hulkageddon the prices stabilized and I stoped mining and moved on to PvE.

today I am no longer in Highsec, Ive been all across new eden even into wormholes a few times. but i still remember my first strive into this universe as a miner.
Elayne Dukendal
DynCorp Inc.
#518 - 2012-02-08 19:51:33 UTC
To the OP: there is only one way to play EVE.
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#519 - 2012-02-08 20:13:30 UTC
Wow - You must have a lot of free time on your hands to ramble on with all that drivel. I personally get a kick out of the botter comments. As if highsec is the only place that harbors bots. Low and Null sec just as ripe with bots not only mining but ratting. The only difference is they 'rent' their space and since they are under protection so you can't freely go and gank them with no risk to yourself or your corporation. If you want to put a dent in RMT operations run by bots you should go back down to null where they run their operations. Infiltrate and oust the corporations and alliances that support them instead of trying to justify your pathetic hulk killing in highsec with an insanely long diatribe that 99% of the people here will never finish.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#520 - 2012-02-08 20:16:26 UTC
Oh... someone necroed...

Hmmm, this thread makes me want to mine...