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The Empire scourge that is macro mission running

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K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-02-05 05:58:48 UTC
These mindless drones grind isk on auto pilot endlessly and must be stopped! They are too safe in their empire bubble, CCP protects them as they are subscribers, how-ever:

And I quote from the Eula section 7. a)

"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

If CCP won't deal with them I have taken it to myself to rid space of this scum, one pimped out battleship at a time.

We have devised a system which enables us to SOMETIMES be able to take out these easily frightened botters. With this new strategy we have been able to destroy a few macro corps so far, with the last group targeted benefiting us with a nice 1.4bil bonus and 7bil damage done to their greedy pockets.

But why tell us here you ask? The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners. So I seek the services of other individuals who like to know that these nobodies are being dealt with and who would like to MAKE SOME ISK on the side:

I will give a 10% cut to individuals who seek out and direct me to macro mission running groups that yield high value loot. So for example, if you were to discover for us our last hit you would of made off with an easy 140,000,000isk for simply directing me to the target.

More illegal botters get killed, we all make isk, everyone is happy. It could work out to be lucrative business for dedicated scouts.

So you know I am not fake, here is some examples of these macro'ers:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14999021
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15119907
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15169851

And if one day we cannot find any more targets, then we know the job is done!
Humidor Cigarillo
#2 - 2012-02-05 06:09:27 UTC
This is good for my business and as such, I approve. Keep up the good work!
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-02-05 06:23:59 UTC
Thankyou.
Did you know these bots make make on average 400-500mil per day.... per account!
Oryx Lux
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-02-05 06:27:34 UTC
I, for one, welcome our new macro-killing overlords.
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#5 - 2012-02-05 10:00:44 UTC
Oryx Lux wrote:
I, for one, welcome our new macro-killing overlords.


Then why haven't you 'liked' his post?
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#6 - 2012-02-05 10:51:32 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.


Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-05 11:22:09 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.


Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?


it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).
2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight.
3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.
4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts.
5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours.
6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.
7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#8 - 2012-02-05 14:01:10 UTC
Okay, if you don't want to reveal the trick I won't push. But I have to admit you've really tickled my curiosity now. ;)
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#9 - 2012-02-05 14:44:58 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else.


K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.


Bots that are complex enough to be vulnerable to psychological warfare? Now that sound intriguing.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-05 15:21:23 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else.


K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.


Bots that are complex enough to be vulnerable to psychological warfare? Now that sound intriguing.


sounds like you're on to it.... hint, a player has to check on their bot occasionally.
how-ever, this is not a game of 21 questions, i am looking for someone who wants to help atleast increase the risk of botting (since it can't be removed from the game).

now who here pays for their game with isk via buying plex? noticed how the price of plex has gone up alot?
is it fair that you have to work so hard to get your plex when these macro'ers can get it without doing anything?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2012-02-06 12:54:57 UTC
You should've named your thread 'The Forum Scourge that is CROSS-POSTING'

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#12 - 2012-02-06 17:44:30 UTC
I fully endorse any activities that result in the reduction of isk faucets.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#13 - 2012-02-06 19:16:00 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.


Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?


it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).
2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight.
3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.
4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts.
5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours.
6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.
7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.


1,2,3,5 (partly, I forget sometimes my drones simply), 6 would fit to myself sometimes. And last I have checked I was no bot ... nor anyone in my corp.

Mach, Tengu, etc should be normal for mission runners, they all have to money for shinny ships, and all have the need to make more isk so they need shinny ships. Optimal fittings for those ships are similar, so they should fit all similar and last but not least can a 23 hour run from time to time be very healthy and confirm that you are still alive ... even when you feel after this kind grind not alive anymore :D

Still, more power to you, any dead bot is healthy. While you are at it, please gank a few hulks as well. Will you?

Remove insurance.

Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-02-06 19:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Eshtir
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.


Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?


it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).

3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.

6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.


macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.


*snip*

1 any normail brain functional team of pleyers will use same ship same fit to run missions wonder if you can understend why.

3 is called dual boxing (google it) you may lern something while you fail at EvE

6 try to mail or inv me to convo LOL yeah am confirmed bot, btw this is bot i made to post on forums.

If you took time to serach (like you say you did) you will realyze there is no mission bots, only for minning NPC rating in belts and market trading.

*snip* Personal attacks removed.-ISD Eshtir

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”

K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-02-06 22:36:52 UTC
Tenris Anis wrote:


1,2,3,5 (partly, I forget sometimes my drones simply), 6 would fit to myself sometimes. And last I have checked I was no bot ... nor anyone in my corp.

Mach, Tengu, etc should be normal for mission runners, they all have to money for shinny ships, and all have the need to make more isk so they need shinny ships. Optimal fittings for those ships are similar, so they should fit all similar and last but not least can a 23 hour run from time to time be very healthy and confirm that you are still alive ... even when you feel after this kind grind not alive anymore :D

Still, more power to you, any dead bot is healthy. While you are at it, please gank a few hulks as well. Will you?


There is no definitive way to tell a bot I admit, these are simply some of the clues or guidelines I follow. If I say bots often use tengu's that does not mean I am saying ONLY bots use tengu's and not players, which seems to be what some have gathered from that post.
Thankyou and if I find a way to kill hulks without losing sec status I will, though I think I'll just leave that to the hulkageddon crew.
Scion Lex
The Unspoken Ones
Hole Control
#16 - 2012-02-07 07:09:54 UTC
In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time.
Bent Barrel
#17 - 2012-02-07 07:40:41 UTC
Scion Lex wrote:
In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time.


this would interest me too ...
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-02-07 10:10:26 UTC
Scion Lex wrote:
In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time.


pretty much but it wouldn't hurt to say something if that happens.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#19 - 2012-02-08 01:26:41 UTC
I take it a properly set up bot but won't agress you when you loot their wrecks and they'll jump corps if you dec them. Anything you aren't telling us?
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-02-08 02:25:37 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
I take it a properly set up bot but won't agress you when you loot their wrecks and they'll jump corps if you dec them. Anything you aren't telling us?


lots.
it's not foolproof anyway, and it's mostly depends on luck. so 90% of the time we miss out. it's quite frustrating too because it takes days of waiting to find out if you're going to pull it off.
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