EVE General Discussion

Agreed. That right there breaks though the lies flowing about incursions. Incursions are just another PVE element that involves grouping. There is NO significant incursion inflation.

So again. lets do simple changes that helps in the long run instead of try to push CCP to nuke incursion from orbit.

- Change Vanguards so they have to be completed in full. Field must be cleared. (This is mainly to make things better for the nonshiny fleets)

- Boost payout on Higher than Vanguard sites

Job done! There are some good ideas but most here are from people wanting to nuke incursion from orbit.

endeavour is basically some NPC corp alt/roleplayer who unironically states that there is a nullsec ~cOnSpIrAcY~ to nerf incursions because CTA numbers are low

i mean it has nothing to do with high-risk nullsec anoms paying 60m/hour while low-risk highsec vanguard farming pays 100m+ per hour, nope not at all

his opinion is of no consequence, you see

While I made around 60m/h with nullbear anoms, and while I made even more with carebear L4s, I have yet to make 100m+ per hour with vanguard farming. Maybe I should start a something awful account to get into the right vanguard fleets for this? Mine tend to waste at least 5 minutes per hour for pauses (honestly actually mostly more than 10minutes per hour), lose sometimes contested sites and do not wait just for me to appear online to invite me instantaneous. Furthermore I do not have jumpbridge network which will bring me to the next incursion in no time ...

... goons seem to have a few advantagues with their incursions I guess. Space big enough to have nearly as much incursions as amarr, short travel in "safe" space. How long did you say you must be part of sa? 18 months?

LOL-ing at all you "ASSHAT - INCURSIONS MUST DIE THEY ARE SPOILING THE GAME" - BULLSHIT...

Proof that these are just a form of pve and a great (for those that understand eve) EMERGENT game play.

Now quit the bullshit and enjoy farming or griefing... Jury is out on this...

Nuke incursions from orbit and move them to losec. +1 for the temp losec idea.

Vanguards just need to be force field clearing. That will lower isk/hr anyway. Then boost payments fort he Assault and HQ fleets and your are done!

OK first I'll admit I haven't waded through every page of this thread but based on what I have seen so far I think the wronq question is being asked and answered here.

CCP need to state clearly what their aims and goals for incursions are.

If the goal is an incursion should last at least a day suggestions about having no more sites appear once the mom has spawned are pointless (I believe it was CCP Soundwave who stated in the video at last year's Fanfest that CCP were wanting them to last at least that long.).

For that goal you need to look at things like decreasing the amount of influence reduction you get from a single site (probably to something like 1/5 of what it is at the moment).

If the goal is encouraging more people to group up for pve activities then suggestions about reducing or removing incursions in high sec are pointless (reducing opportunities to do something is not going to encourage people to do that something).

For a goal like that you need to look at things like increasing the number of incursions you can have and maybe adjusting the algorithm that governs where incursions spawn so they are more spread out (if you aren't going to travel 30 jumps to an incursion in amarr you aren't goign to travel 25 jumps to another incursion in amarr that is only 7 jumps from the first one).

Kithran

Ziranda - I don't see how reducing the number of high sec incursions (NOT eliminating) - limits access to content. It's still there only sites are challenged more often - which I see resulting in all kinds of interesting sand box dynamics. If nothing else it enriches the people element which is far more enriching than any content ccp can provide.

To Both - The suggestion of politics not happening in HS incursions confuses me. I would ask what about armor vs. shield, shiny vs. not shiny, banning from player "public" channels, "certified" FC squabbles, Bricksquad and Goon headshots, Wardecs, reimbursement funds, stealing loot, challenging sites... I could go on but I think when you dump a buttload of isk into a portion of the game there will be politics and the lines that differentiate between Heads of Null Sec alliances and the admins of public fleet channels becomes blurred.

To DarhtNefarious - I don't see how reducing the bounties to solo level 4's with much greater risk of losing your ship increases the fun factor. I dont understand the Nullsec whipping boy argument and neither of you mention anything about LS. If anything LS could use a few buffs.

Nor do you fellas mention anything about the idea regarding "Incursions for real world goods" - I think this would be awesome as I really need a new pair of underpants.

I played this game for almost two years. I got a demanding job and a family and cannot devote my entire life to Eve. I started off as a true carebear and grinded lvl4s for ages until a finally made my first billion. For a long time I only played one character but finally got two. I was getting bored with hisec and finally moved to null and joined one of the big alliances.

Moving to null has certainly been a lot of fun and it is a completely different game well worth playing. However, life in null as a null noob is expensive and somewhat difficult even though I am in a great corp. I make some ISK from PI, ratting etc but so far I have lost a lot more than I make.

However, I feel the current state of the game is actually more or less punishing those who want to do something different than hisec carebearing. It is now possible to earn insane amounts of ISK in hisec with close to zero risk and in a very short amount of time. There are guys in BC fleets making one billion a day in hisec. Does that make sense? Currently the mechanics really favor this play style as it basically means you can play for free PLEXing with very little effort. It has gotten to the point that I no longer feel motivated to play nor to pay more RL money for subs and PLEXes knowing that hisec incursion runners easily earn that kind of money in a few hours per months. In reality, everybody who wants to make descent ISK in this game is more or less forced to play as a hisec carebear, since that is the only logical conclusion one can make considering risk vs. reward vs. real life money and time. Sure, some very experienced players and higher-ups make insane ISK from caps and moons, but that ISK just stays in the hands of those players, even though an entire alliance is needed to actually be able to generate it (but that is a different matter I guess).

I have run incursions myself and I could make a living running them, but I don't want to. I don't enjoy that play style. I don't want to play the game as a hisec carebear. So, my options then are to devote even more time to Eve to make a living in null, spend RL money on PLEXs (indirectly letting the hisec bears play for free :) ), move back to hisec or simply quit playing. I have not yet decided what it'll be.

I guess I am not really arguing for an incursion nerf, but more to make different play styles equally viable in the game with a basic risk/reward/time ratio in mind.

20 % ISK for all PVE in EVE is not a "drop in the bucket" like you've stated.