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Zortak
NeoFlux Mining Corp
#1 - 2012-02-06 19:30:17 UTC
Hello,

maybe this has been covered before but is there any plans by CCP to make PI available as Corporation. Meaning, you don't setup a Command Center as an individual, but as a Corp. Under the umbrellla of the corporation, you can have multiple members who could actually help manage the planets.

Of course this implies some limitations but then again, it would make so much sense when dedicating planets to build up POS fuel for instance. Right now, it's a nightmare to divide the work among members and with the implied cost.

Anyway, comments and flame welcome :)

Zortak
Hundo Kay
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-06 21:54:14 UTC
Zortak wrote:
Hello,

maybe this has been covered before but is there any plans by CCP to make PI available as Corporation. Meaning, you don't setup a Command Center as an individual, but as a Corp. Under the umbrellla of the corporation, you can have multiple members who could actually help manage the planets.

Of course this implies some limitations but then again, it would make so much sense when dedicating planets to build up POS fuel for instance. Right now, it's a nightmare to divide the work among members and with the implied cost.

Anyway, comments and flame welcome :)

Zortak


Yes it has been brought up many many times, and I hope they never, ever, ever go that direction.

Removing the need to haul from CO's to somewhere, and allowing exchange of materials between corp mates on planet or in the CO would make PI way to risk free.

The need to visit the CO to get and exchange materials is the main link in the system where people can disrupt your operations, it needs to remain. Otherwise too many army of alt corps will be able tp do PI with way to little risk.

Just my opinion.
Zortak
NeoFlux Mining Corp
#3 - 2012-02-06 23:32:06 UTC
Hundo,

I am not suggesting to remove the hauling but more of launching a command center as corporation, and you still have member with some rights or none that can touch it. The idea is to make a product based on corporation needs instead of individual. I am part of a small corp and I can manage with other members but I can only imagine in an alliance what this might be a logistic nightmare.

But then again, I think in the current mechanics, they are making sure it's not possible by having a skill to define how many planets you can use, how would it be possible to define as a corporation.

Anyhow, I find it strange that for such manufacturing is only possible at the individual level when you look at POS, corporate manufacturing and research can be handled as a corporation.

thanks for the reply

Zortak
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#4 - 2012-02-07 02:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Invictra Atreides
Zortak wrote:
..., corporate manufacturing and research can be handled as a corporation.
I don't get this =/ Only an individual can install a jobs. And only that many as his skill allows. Others can only take the completed jobs.

Isn't PI the same? I mean the whole corporation shares the Facilities(which are planets and POCOs) just like you share a POS lab with others. You are still limited by your skills on how many planets and installations you can operate. So PI is same as a POS.

The only thing lacking is that corp members can't pick up your Goods.

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Otherwise too many army of alt corps will be able to do PI with way to little risk.
Now this statement is wrong. It is the same for mining, manufacturing and everything in EVE where you need to move resources from A to B. Doesn't mater who gets the stuff there. The risk stays with the one that is moving the goods.

So if a corp member would have to take my PI goods to Jita that wouldn't make it any less risky. The risk would just transfer from me to the corp member.

Al tho I agree that item exchange on the planets surface shouldn't happen.

EDIT:
@Hundo I assume you mean the transfer of goods from Player A(Planet 1) to Player B(Planet 1). It would make it a bit safer and some less work. Al tho anyone would still be limited by the Planets resources(5 types).

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Hundo Kay
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-07 14:01:16 UTC
Invictra Atreides wrote:
Hundo Kay wrote:
Otherwise too many army of alt corps will be able to do PI with way to little risk.


Now this statement is wrong. It is the same for mining, manufacturing and everything in EVE where you need to move resources from A to B. Doesn't mater who gets the stuff there. The risk stays with the one that is moving the goods.

So if a corp member would have to take my PI goods to Jita that wouldn't make it any less risky. The risk would just transfer from me to the corp member.

Al tho I agree that item exchange on the planets surface shouldn't happen.

EDIT:
@Hundo I assume you mean the transfer of goods from Player A(Planet 1) to Player B(Planet 1). It would make it a bit safer and some less work. Al tho anyone would still be limited by the Planets resources(5 types).


If players in corps are allowed to mingle and exchange goods either on planet, or at the CO without having to visit the CO, then you have drastically reduced the exposure to possible hostiles. I never said it would be eliminated, but 5 to 10 trips to CO's might be reduced to 1 or 2. And the visit to the CO is the most exposure to hostile activity in PI.

Also to the OP - you should not be able to run others PI at all. Again, would just let people get a lot of alts and control all the PI from one login.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#6 - 2012-02-07 14:29:33 UTC
Although I can't help but like the idea of having a CO be like a corp hangar (actually, a POCO would even kind of make sense as a corp hangar), I understand that it would potentially make the PI process way too streamlined for CCPs liking. Assume the following:

Player A extracts a couple of P0 materials and converts to P1 (say, Reactive and Precious) on Planet 1 (Plasma), then exports to the corp POCO tax free;
Player B extracts a couple of other materials (Toxic and Chiral) on the same planet and sends them to the POCO;
Player C imports the four P1s and converts them to Robotics

This can be done now, but at least three trips would be required to the POCO, as opposed to this scenario where no one leaves their station.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#7 - 2012-02-07 16:16:34 UTC
Hundo Kay wrote:
Zortak wrote:
Hello,

maybe this has been covered before but is there any plans by CCP to make PI available as Corporation. Meaning, you don't setup a Command Center as an individual, but as a Corp. Under the umbrellla of the corporation, you can have multiple members who could actually help manage the planets.

Of course this implies some limitations but then again, it would make so much sense when dedicating planets to build up POS fuel for instance. Right now, it's a nightmare to divide the work among members and with the implied cost.

Anyway, comments and flame welcome :)

Zortak


Yes it has been brought up many many times, and I hope they never, ever, ever go that direction.

Removing the need to haul from CO's to somewhere, and allowing exchange of materials between corp mates on planet or in the CO would make PI way to risk free.

The need to visit the CO to get and exchange materials is the main link in the system where people can disrupt your operations, it needs to remain. Otherwise too many army of alt corps will be able tp do PI with way to little risk.

Just my opinion.


Hmmm. This probably falls under the category of 'dumbing down' so I would say it shouldn't be implemented.

P.S. Do pilots actually ambush pilots at POCO/CO ? I've never seen it happen. Sounds rather sad & pathetic.
Also Aswell
Apple Industries Inc.
#8 - 2012-02-07 16:27:43 UTC
Quote:
P.S. Do pilots actually ambush pilots at POCO/CO ? I've never seen it happen. Sounds rather sad & pathetic.


Yep. Especially in lowsec and WH space if they're watching you.

To me, Sad & Pathetic is players with a year or two of experience doing "PvP" by can-flipping month-old players trying to mine their way up to a crusier. That's truly pathetic.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#9 - 2012-02-07 21:38:09 UTC
Zortak wrote:
Hello,

maybe this has been covered before but is there any plans by CCP to make PI available as Corporation. Meaning, you don't setup a Command Center as an individual, but as a Corp. Under the umbrellla of the corporation, you can have multiple members who could actually help manage the planets.

Of course this implies some limitations but then again, it would make so much sense when dedicating planets to build up POS fuel for instance. Right now, it's a nightmare to divide the work among members and with the implied cost.

Anyway, comments and flame welcome :)

Zortak


It can be a nightmare to have players make POS fuel for the corp and keep track of the costs and reimburse the members. it is best to just encourage corp members to make the POS fuel and sell to the corp. Even if you give them jita price for it provided they deliver it to where it is needed the corp will still benefit. If the corp has 5% tax it gets back 5% from the transaction right off the top.

Just set up corp buy orders for the agreed upon price at the closest station to the POSes where the fuel is needed. The corp gets the needed fuel, and the players make some isk encouraging them to contribute.

If you have no station and they deliver it directly to the POS then it gets a little tricky. easiest way is to use containers in a corp hanger. when a member drops the fuel in a container they rename the container with their name and a director can pay them when they empty the container. This works on the honor system but if you do not trust your members POS fuel is the least of your worries.
Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-07 23:08:59 UTC
This seems suspiciously much like an idea for future features, and as such, I expect the moderators to move this to the "Features and Ideas Discussion" forum.

On-Topic: I like the idea of Corp-PI. Having the ability to set up planetary facilities that any member of the corp can take stuff from sure can come in handy. Although I believe there should be some limitations to this (make it so only people with the priviledge can do so, like with all the other corp-roles-stuff), so you don't end up setting up a massive facility for the Corp, and then some new member of the corp comes, steals it all and runs off with it before you can say a word.