EVE General Discussion

Yeah but lose SP in the T3 and cost some money for one as well.

Yes...let's just ignore every other factor and difference between the two...just like American politics!

I'm all for it, (don't even fly them), as long as they are made more expensive, accordingly. :)

You don't lose a boosting T3 - just keep warping between safes.

Maybe removing off-grid boosting would help - especially now that the issues with siege warfare boosting are fixed.

Remove off grid boosters!

will see more command ships...supper tanked command ships.

I think removing off grid boosting will hurt more than it will help and puts too much advantage in the fleet that is already on grid. I know that an off grid booster upsets people but its the only way to insure level playing field. If he's sitting in a pos, oh well, take the pos down. If he's in space scan him down and find him. Even if you don't point him, he must warp and as command mods turn off in warp so the boosters are off also. So task organize your attack and neutralize his boosters. Bring your own boosters to help too, whatever. Everyone has the same ability to boost in a system, but having to be on grid gives ridiculous advantage to the first on grid (defense) and especially to the already too prevalent kiting fleets.

Example, my fleet is trying to catch one or multiple targets in system. Perhaps baiting, perhaps utilizing a warp in from a cloaky. Once the scan is achieved the tackler goes in. I have interdiction manuevers and rapid deployment on. When the tackler arrives we might get the point and lock him down, but only if, and only if, he's not already aligned. If he stays and is kiting still, the rapid deployment and interdiction maneuvers might give the extra boost needed to get the scram and web in what would otherwise fail to reach as they burn out of range. I cannot accompany him into the fight until the target is locked because I cannot boost while in warp. If I have to wait until I pop on grid, target is probably gone as my warp speed is slower. if we fleet warp, then its the slowest warp speed ship to the fleet and that negates the warp in to a large extent due to the target having already moved too far already. Part of the power of the interceptor isn't just mwd speed but warp speed to. If he's tied to my warp speed that scan lock is now worthless as the targets now too far. If we do it right, once the target is locked down then I bring my Mrym in and help with the kill, and turn boosts back on, but I only do this once I know the target/ targets are fully locked down.

If I couldn't do this, then even more targets would just endless warp off/burn away and get away/win. Often a target will stay on grid and not warp away thinking he can win with just some little tackler on grid with him. What do you think will happen if I bring in my BC, or a T3 or a command ship. Instant running like 90% of people do already. Plus, often we are trying to do multiple things in the system, like block more than one gate at a time. Now I can't boost system wide. Why bother flying it then? Instead of seeing more command ships/command modules etc, you'll see less.

In other applications, the fleet already on grid will have their boosts running and when the attacking fleet arrives, they may not show up all at once (sure preferred but when warping in at optimals, different ships will arrive due to different warp speeds.) You'll have to wait for boosting ships to arrive and then some of the key boosts such as info and skirmish might already be too late - as certain ships have already been jammed or escaped due to boosts/lack there of.

Finally, on grid is too squishy. I mean you can play grid fu all day long and exploit the grid to your favor to isolate boosters from the combat fleet if your clever. Again, favoring the defense.

The best way to keep it relatively fair is system wide. Sure, they can have a pos, but you know what? You rate some advantage for having a POS. Burn it down, bring your own boosts, whatever. Them being in a pos doesn't negate you bringing your boosts. Being on grid only denies the attacker too many options.

A lot more effort.

Sure there is. The more people ***** about it, the more likely it is someone will do something.

CCP cares... right?

I'm down for anything if they let me use more than one mindlink at a time.

(Pretty please?)

Yet they are harder to probe than CS's (smaller sig radius, higher sensor strength). Also, if you put ECCM on them, they become virtually unprobable for anyone without a faction/t2 probe launcher, faction probes and max (or near max) probing skills.

The problem with T3s is that, due to offgrid boosting, and their being really agile and hard to probe, they encourage use in conjunction with small fleets / solo setups, which leads to weird, gimmicky setups using the single bonus. Ever tried to fight a Thrasher or Vagabond that's receiving a Loki speed bonus?

Swapping CS and T3 bonuses won't do much. Changing boosting to only work on grid would do a lot more. Fewer people would risk T3s, preferring tanky CSs instead, and leading to far more easily-counterable boosting ships (and a nerf to gimmicky boosting setups, particularly in lowsec).