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No Self Destruction While Aggressed

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Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#1 - 2012-02-07 07:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolodymyr
Basically if someone is shooting your titan / super / noobship / whatever, you can't start up the self destruct.

If you really really want to get in your pod you can still eject. I am willing to miss out on a kill mail in exchange for a free titan.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544

Pulgy
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-02-07 08:04:08 UTC
yeah how about no.
killmail denial is delicious.
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Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-02-07 08:07:33 UTC
I have seen somewhere that CCP wants to implement sending killmails even when target selfdestruct, soo this isnt needed.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.

Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#4 - 2012-02-07 08:11:21 UTC
Pulgy wrote:
yeah how about no.
killmail denial is delicious.

But I like killmails. They make my epeen majestic and lustrous.
Daeva Teresa wrote:
I have seen somewhere that CCP wants to implement sending killmails even when target selfdestruct, soo this isnt needed.

Oh. Well nevermind then.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544

Valei Khurelem
#5 - 2012-02-07 09:19:59 UTC
Stop trying to have things nerfed or changed because they don't automatically favour you.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-07 11:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Selfdestruct was introduced as valid tactic to DENY YOU(!!!) the killmail. It works as intented. No change needed. What else would be a reason to implement the self destruct button? Roll
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#7 - 2012-02-07 12:36:09 UTC
Ive partook in the argument to increase sd according to ship size. but i have to say no to this. it doesnt make sense at all. the idea of sd only ever works if you are being attacked. sitting around in your ship bored and decide you dont like it anymore so you destroy it?

just join the threads about increasing self destruct timers.
heres one for example. there are many more
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65682

there was another thread talking about using warp disrupter to cancel out disrupts. maybe we could create a module that interupted the SD'ing process (or mabye just delayed it)
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#8 - 2012-02-07 13:34:49 UTC
SD is exactly for situations when **** hits the fan, so NO for this idea.
There is nothing wrong with SD while agressed.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-02-07 14:37:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Wolodymyr wrote:
Pulgy wrote:
yeah how about no.
killmail denial is delicious.

But I like killmails. They make my epeen majestic and lustrous.
Daeva Teresa wrote:
I have seen somewhere that CCP wants to implement sending killmails even when target selfdestruct, soo this isnt needed.

Oh. Well nevermind then.

A CCP dev said that about a year ago, on an issue that was raised by the CSM three years ago.

Having an 8:1 vote in favor of SD mechanics for capital class ships being changed in December 2009, only to see no change or response from CCP by February 2012, just goes to show how utterly pointless that CSM rubbish really is.

Valei Khurelem wrote:
Stop trying to have things nerfed or changed because they don't automatically favour you.

Aren't you the guy that wanted anti-warp modules that let you get out of bubbles, and escape from gangs even with multiple people pointing you? And didn't you start threads saying industrial ships should be on a level with PvP ships in terms of combat/tanking capabilities?

Hypocrite much?

For those interested:

CSM Minutes 20/12/2009 wrote:
1. Self-destruct revokes insurance

ElvenLord - yes
Alekseyev Karrde - yes
Zastrow J - yes
TeaDaze - yes
Mrs Trzzbk - no
Korvin - no
Z0D - yes
Song Li - yes
Sokratesz - yes

Passes: 7/2

2. Self-destruct generates killmail if player is agressed (as with NPCs)

ElvenLord - yes
Alekseyev Karrde - yes
Zastrow J - yes
TeaDaze - no
Mrs Trzzbk - yes
Korvin - yes
Z0D - yes
Song Li - no
Sokratesz - yes

Passes: 7/2
(...)

4. Selfdestruct timer depends on shipsize

ElvenLord - yes
Alekseyev Karrde - yes
Zastrow J - yes
TeaDaze - yes
Mrs Trzzbk - yes
Korvin - no
Z0D - yes
Song Li - yes
Sokratesz - yes

Passes: 8/1

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#10 - 2012-02-07 15:22:00 UTC
No SD while agressed would just be a PITA in some situations. Could be that the guy SDing while you're killing him simply doesn't want to wait around while you take forever to kill him.

thhief ghabmoef

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-02-07 15:33:59 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

[quote=CSM Minutes 20/12/2009]1. Self-destruct revokes insurance

Passes: 7/2

2. Self-destruct generates killmail if player is agressed (as with NPCs)

Passes: 7/2

4. Selfdestruct timer depends on shipsize

Passes: 8/1

All hail our CSM Overlords! Bow before their all mighty wisdom reflecting a minority of opinion and bring a tithe within a fortnight to please them!

*seconds pass in quiet, followed by the sound of a record scratch*

Oh wait....they don't represent the majority. And SD again does not affect game play it affects player ego/satisfaction of winning, but winning isn't a factor of gameplay. So long as something like Highsec ganking of hulks lets you boost your ego while the miner is left as the looser, then self destruction is fine right now (insurance loss doesn't stop them, yet these guys can still destroy a ship in less then 30 seconds but you can't plan to destroy a ship under 2 minutes...both have a deadline: 30 seconds from CONCORDOKEN and 120 seconds to go POOF! Why is one a massive fail effort but the other is a massive win?). You don't bring enough resources by planning smartly to down something in 2 minutes, you ****** up and lost....so much as the miner has to be smart on how avoid getting ganked by watching local and Dscan...then you should smarter to bring more friends or have a cap ship on standby. Miner lacks the foresight and goes AFK....pirate attacking a cap ship lacks the foresight to have more then enough damage....same thing happens and both ending up the loser. Want to fix self destruction, might as well let the miner have AFK safemode...see where I am going at: You are responsible for winning by doing what ever is necessary to destroy that ship in half the time of self destruct and whining to CCP to fix one problem might as well let someone else get the same benifit (and I know, nobody wants to let miners be immune to attack. Hulks just die, thats all they are good for and its why the are targeted so much).
Axium Cog
Grand Solar Trinity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#12 - 2012-02-07 17:34:28 UTC
No

SD has a real tactical purpose. It denies the loot, and in the case of the T3's it prevents the pilot from losing SP in his subsystem skills.

I dont like that i cant get record of forcing a guy to SD, but the ability to SD is def important.
Axium Cog
Grand Solar Trinity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#13 - 2012-02-07 17:37:43 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
No SD while agressed would just be a PITA in some situations. Could be that the guy SDing while you're killing him simply doesn't want to wait around while you take forever to kill him.

Which is the very reason i think you should still get a KM if you have combat aggression on the SDer. Hes not SDing for the hell of it, someone is forcing him to. It still surprises me how quickly capital pilots will fight this fact. I think its a funny state of denial.
reaver2145
Satanic Lobster Buttplug With Hidden Unicorn.
#14 - 2012-02-07 17:55:42 UTC
Adapt or cry

Bring more DPS nd nutes next time or just whine and winge some more.
Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-02-07 19:15:58 UTC
No.

And sending kill mails for something you didn't kill is stupid.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#16 - 2012-02-07 19:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Akatenshi Xi wrote:
No.

And sending kill mails for something you didn't kill is stupid.

Other than the fact that you've replied to none of the points raised, it's interesting that you run a PvP corp with a negative killboard. In an alliance that has killed less than two of my alts (and is also negative).

ESS Empire wrote:
How's Our Ganking? 1-800-OMG-WTFB (1-800-664-9832) (Seriously, call and give us your feedback)
It's terrible. Really, really terrible.

And yes, I'm resorting to ad hominem attacks for posters who don't actually make any valid points. Sometimes pointing out how terrible they are at Eve is the only way to get them to STFU and go post in a thread that has something to do with them.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#17 - 2012-02-07 20:18:30 UTC
Another topic filled with no.

Burn it with fire.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#18 - 2012-02-07 22:14:11 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Another topic filled with no.

Burn it with fire.

Some of us understand that there are risks associated with AFK ratting in our carriers, and are willing to accept them. Rather than try to justify mechanics created before the introduction of capital class ships, in a heavily biased attempt to discourage PvP.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#19 - 2012-02-07 22:16:40 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
And yes, I'm resorting to ad hominem attacks for posters who don't actually make any valid points. Sometimes pointing out how terrible they are at Eve is the only way to get them to STFU and go post in a thread that has something to do with them.

It's OK, you're not making any valid points on this topic either so lets just go with 'no, working as intended' anyway.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-02-07 22:23:52 UTC
What they said.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

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