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So I dodged a shameless 0.0 ganker today
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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-02-07 14:06:08 UTC
Do not venture into 0.0 alone with less than 7 million sp.


If you do you are going to die. This is fact.


I wouldn't try to rough it alone with less than ten personally. Either join a corp or carebear it up in highsec for a few weeks.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-02-07 14:08:55 UTC
I'm sorry, but are you lacking neurons?

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Yet this ******* I had spotted was station camping me and I just knew he was waiting for me to come out with my cargo, gank me so I had to decline it and lose standing.


And you hadn't made an insta-warp spot at the station? Really?
Why not? You could of easily ignore anything but a dictor or hictor with an insta-warp off the undock.

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I undocked, warped off and found that he was somehow following me, most likely using their buddies to tell them where I was at all times, so I just ended up jumping until I got rid of the tech 2 battlecruiser.


Or he just looked which direction you warped in and followed, really not difficult.

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how the hell can these 0.0 vets expect noobs to fly into 0.0 space and make ISK


Because they don't expect you to act like a ****** and do it solo? EvE is a team game.

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You can't mine the asteroid belts very easily in a noob ship


No, REALLY! You can't tank the hardest belt rats in the game in the ship most people get rid of after a few hours training? Really? (spot the sarcasm)

A RIFTER can tank them by using transversal, a Tier 2 BC will **** them with no problems.

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I just don't see why I should be forced to log out of a game and quit purely to prevent myself from being ganked because someone in their overpowered tech 2 battlecruiser thought it would be funny to station camp me then follow me through about 2 - 3 systems before finally giving up. These people don't even get to flaunt a spectacular killmail from killing noobs, so why do they even do it?

All it does is make these 0.0 gankers look pathetic because when I looked at the map there was a war going on right next to this particular part of 0.0 pirate space so why didn't they go and pick a fight with them? I'm also going to have to go back and get my ship once I'm sure they've gotten bored of chasing me.


And how do they know you aren't part of that war? Either as a cyno alt, scout or tackler, lots of other roles that a younger player or alt can do to make themselves useful.

Please try and use your brain, that kinda thing helps in EvE, particually if you try actually using some foreward planning and getting READY for null instead of just going there. Join a null-sec corp, lots of them about, Brick Squad are in Curse atm I believe and are good and willing to help train new players or there are lots of options for newer players who would rather go to Sov owned null instead as well.

So basically your thread is
"Well I decide on the spur of the moment to head to null, with no preperation, scout or any of the other vital tasks I should have done first, then nearly got killed so now I'm sad"

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Valei Khurelem
#23 - 2012-02-07 14:10:59 UTC
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So basically your thread is
"Well I decide on the spur of the moment to head to null, with no preperation, scout or any of the other vital tasks I should have done first, then nearly got killed so now I'm sad"


LOL :)

You keep telling yourself that princess :D

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#24 - 2012-02-07 14:13:49 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
It isn't imposing rules, it's giving people options, if someone's clever enough to dodge peoples stupid tactics as I was here then you should be able to get past them, the problem with EVE is CCP has essentially made the rule "I have the biggest ship in the whole region so you have to die now" that isn't what a sandbox should be, I just don't see why I should be forced to wear a cloak or fly in a pod/shuttle to do it because it's killing MY part of the game and I don't even want anything to do with the person trying to gank me.


You are confusing fundamental principles of violence with sandbox rules.

1) physically stronger opponent wins when all else is equal

2) larger numbers wins when all else is equal

This is how interaction between species work in ecosystems (natural world, the benchmark of all sandboxes) and the rules have their ground in physics.

Luckily, like you just demonstrated, smaller, physically weaker and fewer can affect the "all else" part, overcome the fundamental rules by their wits and cunning.

I think CCP has been quite sucessful in simulating these properties of interaction. And it still appears like you want to affect the options of player interaction to your personal benefit only.

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Valei Khurelem
#25 - 2012-02-07 14:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
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1) physically stronger opponent wins when all else is equal

2) larger numbers wins when all else is equal


There have been thousands of examples throughout the history of our species and currently that completely prove both of these points wrong, as for your comment about me personally, this is a game, the point isn't survival the point is being able to progress and have fun, if I'm actually forced to log out of a game I have paid for because of another players actions, that isn't fun that's just stupid and unnecessary.

It's like this whole stupid argument that is repeated on here where people seem to think that you should somehow be forced to work hard in a video game that is provided purely for entertainment and fun.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2012-02-07 14:26:18 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
... the point isn't survival. the point is being able to progress and have fun...



the point is being able to progress and have fun AND SURVIVE.



Fixed for you en especial

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#27 - 2012-02-07 14:28:00 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Second, noob characters are used as scouts in 0.0. So even if you are not a worthy opponent to them, killing and podding you could mean one possible scout less. Especially when there is a war in the region.


^^This, more than anything else. You said there's a war going on next-door ? You can bet your bottom dollar the guys chasing you were forward-scouts, ridding the nearby system of any potential enemy scouts.


COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Valei Khurelem
#28 - 2012-02-07 14:28:50 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
... the point isn't survival. the point is being able to progress and have fun...



the point is being able to progress and have fun AND SURVIVE.



Fixed for you en especial


Ever considered that being able to go down in a blaze of glory and take down several people before you die is fun to? I do that a lot on counter-strike, it makes people rage :D

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-02-07 14:32:50 UTC
As someone said earlier, you managed to survive so you won that encounter. And while EVE is a game to have fun in and enjoy, it is not a game about instant gratification. While you progress and learn how to live where you decided to live you will also be able to make more of a profit than you are right now.

And be prepared to run a lot. A lone player will always be at a disadvantage out in null-sec.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-02-07 14:34:07 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:

Ever considered that being able to go down in a blaze of glory and take down several people before you die is fun to? I do that a lot on counter-strike, it makes people rage :D

But here you chose to log off, which isn't fun for anyone involved. Actually you claim to be forced to log off from the game you payed, but that is not true. You could have continued to fly to high-sec and eventually die in the process - or escape. The latter would have been fun for you.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2012-02-07 14:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Valei Khurelem wrote:
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1) physically stronger opponent wins when all else is equal

2) larger numbers wins when all else is equal


There have been thousands of examples throughout the history of our species and currently that completely prove both of these points wrong, as for your comment about me personally, this is a game, the point isn't survival the point is being able to progress and have fun, if I'm actually forced to log out of a game I have paid for because of another players actions, that isn't fun that's just stupid and unnecessary.

It's like this whole stupid argument that is repeated on here where people seem to think that you should somehow be forced to work hard in a video game that is provided purely for entertainment and fun.


You didn't even read those two sentences or the rest of the post.

You seem to have decided the Point of EVE, a vague idea that most people don't agree on, and they don't have to, because it's a freaking sandbox.

Oh and no, you were not forced to log out of a game. You chose to use cowardly metagame measure to avoid losing.

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TrashProcesor
EVE Corporation 98582134
#32 - 2012-02-07 14:41:47 UTC
Op you are wrong and rest are right. 0-0 means no rules aka FUN and if you tune in and learn the ropes it could be the most rewarding place in eve(don't know about wh space to much so don't quote me on this one).
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-07 14:47:08 UTC
If you want to try making a living in Null that's your choice.

If people want to shoot you in Null that's their choice

You seem to think that you get to make the choice for both those statements

I lied :o
Razin
The Scope
#34 - 2012-02-07 14:55:26 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
First, as a lone newbie in 0.0 you are expected to die. Simple as that. Being successful in 0.0 requires to be in a corp (as part of an alliance) or to be an experienced player with some kind of protection (cloaking).

Second, noob characters are used as scouts in 0.0. So even if you are not a worthy opponent to them, killing and podding you could mean one possible scout less. Especially when there is a war in the region.


First, this isn't how a game should be, ...

This is your problem.


Instead of fighting how the game is, you should try to embrace it. Try and understand that dodging, or trying to kill that "ganker" *is* the game, and running those NPC missions is just a side activity to make some ISK.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#35 - 2012-02-07 15:00:28 UTC
A Sandbox game. Do you even understand what that means?

It means it is a sandbox for everybody, not just you.

You are free to venture out to NPC nullsec and do distribution missions for a level 1 agent, if you so please.

But the guy in the commandship is also free to camp you and kill you, if he so please.

If you cant grasp this fundamental thruth about this game, i guess EVE isnt for you.
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-02-07 15:01:18 UTC
Almost all of nullsec is NBSI. If you're not blue with the locals you'll be reported in the local intel channel by every person who sees you, along with what you're flying and what you appear to be doing. If you get squished because you didn't bother to learn anything at all about the nullsec metagame, that's your own problem because frankly nobody else is going to care.

KB Link
Citizen Smif
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-02-07 15:04:29 UTC
What is this tech 2 battlecruiser you speak of? And how do I get one?

So let me get this right.. This is a problem which involves the strong preying on the weak? Yes. Solution? Get strong.

Seriously though - 0.0 was never designed to be noob friendly.. Make some friends, join a decent corp, get some decent ships.. Have a station insta-warp. There's plenty of tactics you can use to get around this but you're woefully unprepared for 0.0. Some people solo in 0.0 but I don't recommend it.. There's no expectation that noobs should fare well anywhere, let alone 0.0.. In EVE you need a load of friends on your side so get out there and start licking ass, because by the sounds of it you really really need to.

Also.. wtf are you doing mining in 0.0 in a noob ship? Are you trolling? Because I'm pretty sure I smell something funky coming from underneath the bridge.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#38 - 2012-02-07 15:11:25 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:

... the only problem is this is an alt.


Troll alt in fact.

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so I'll have to wait awhile and inject more ISK, yet again, how everyone can expect a complete noob with no ISK or experience with the game to progress in 0.0 is beyond me.


Nobody expects a complete noob with no isk to survive in 0.0, let alone progress.

Nice troll though :)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Tore Vest
#39 - 2012-02-07 15:11:26 UTC
Stay in highsec m8.. Bear

No troll.
Jhan Niber
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-02-07 15:21:20 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:

What they should be doing is making PvE in 0.0 space much easier and more rewarding since the threat of gankers being everywhere alone is a lot to handle if you aren't in a corporation or alliance.


This is your problem. 0.0 is like raids in lesser mmo's but better. You can't expect to live out there on your own. Low-sec is the farthest out place that you can expect to live on your own and that is pushing it. If you see the numbers 0.0 up in the corner, you'd better be in a group or just passing through in something really fast. Whining in this game will never get you anywhere, which is precisely what you are doing. It shows weakness and immaturity, and you're finding the hard way that neither of those will get you any help, as it is in life. Learn from your experiences and try to change things, sure. Those are what is supposed to happen in this game, the sandbox aspect. We're all in the sandbox together but don't expect mommy and daddy to come in and spank the other kid because he threw sand in your face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VgvM7av1o1Q#t=60s

You should watch that.