EVE General Discussion

I'd just finished doing a distribution mission for my pirate faction and docked, trying to see if living in 0.0 space is possible and I found I was being hounded by someone in a tech 2 battlecruiser while I was of course yet again in a noob frigate and with no weapons, barely even capable of being considered a threat. Yet this ******* I had spotted was station camping me and I just knew he was waiting for me to come out with my cargo, gank me so I had to decline it and lose standing.

Instead of playing this persons stupid game and losing myself a ship as well as the miniscule amount of progress I had made so far doing a fantastic total of two missions ( boy this person must have thought I was loaded with ISK ) I left the ship and decided to go in my pod because I knew no matter how fast the **** head thought they were they wouldn't get me easily in that. I undocked, warped off and found that he was somehow following me, most likely using their buddies to tell them where I was at all times, so I just ended up jumping until I got rid of the tech 2 battlecruiser.

The reason I make this thread is to signal a couple of points, the main one is, how the hell can these 0.0 vets expect noobs to fly into 0.0 space and make ISK when they face this kind of thing each time, yes, a person who thinks ahead and acts with paranoia can avoid losing ships, but in return for this, they make either barely any or absolutely no progress. You can't mine the asteroid belts very easily in a noob ship because you'll either get ganked by the super powered NPCs or you'll be ganked by pirates as they scan you down because your forced to sit there being a target. The same thing happens if you try to run security missions, now I found a way around this but I of course have run into the issue of the fact that gankers will see you as easy prey and go out of their way to make your life a misery. If they were determined enough, they could have easily found out which system I was in if I hadn't logged off and then waited there with other characters for me to log back on again, see me in local and then immediately frag my ass for daring to do PvE in 0.0 space on my own. There's also the fact if I had logged off then knowing 0.0 players they would have simply gone afk for a bit in a group and waited for me to pop right back up on local.

I just don't see why I should be forced to log out of a game and quit purely to prevent myself from being ganked because someone in their overpowered tech 2 battlecruiser thought it would be funny to station camp me then follow me through about 2 - 3 systems before finally giving up. These people don't even get to flaunt a spectacular killmail from killing noobs, so why do they even do it?

All it does is make these 0.0 gankers look pathetic because when I looked at the map there was a war going on right next to this particular part of 0.0 pirate space so why didn't they go and pick a fight with them? I'm also going to have to go back and get my ship once I'm sure they've gotten bored of chasing me.

First, as a lone newbie in 0.0 you are expected to die. Simple as that. Being successful in 0.0 requires to be in a corp (as part of an alliance) or to be an experienced player with some kind of protection (cloaking).

Second, noob characters are used as scouts in 0.0. So even if you are not a worthy opponent to them, killing and podding you could mean one possible scout less. Especially when there is a war in the region.

You won the encounter.

First, this isn't how a game should be, you may as well just show cinematics of noob frigates being killed constantly and gain ISK and skill points just for that. I should have the choice to not die and do as I please especially in a sandbox if it's not hurting anyone, I shouldn't be punished for subscribing later than the other guy which is what's happened here.

Second I'm in pirate space doing mission running, running around in someone elses space specifically to pod me on the excuse that I 'could' be scouting is like saying police should shoot people in hoodies on the basis they 'could' be part of a gang and about to bring all their friends along to kill them. This is why people are all staying in high sec and being a lot more active, 0.0 players are acting like a bunch of twats and going around killing anyone that looks at them funny so why should noobs go there?

I may well have to fit a prototype cloaking device, the only problem is this is an alt. so I'll have to wait awhile and inject more ISK, yet again, how everyone can expect a complete noob with no ISK or experience with the game to progress in 0.0 is beyond me.

What they should be doing is making PvE in 0.0 space much easier and more rewarding since the threat of gankers being everywhere alone is a lot to handle if you aren't in a corporation or alliance.

Are you serious?

In your version of the sandbox, the rules should be changed to please only you, and restrict others?

I do wonder at times whether people like you actually read before you post, my position has always been games like this should be a sandbox for everyone, not just for a select few, namely I don't think that gankers should have an automatic advantage over people or 0.0 alliances just because they have the biggest numbers.

I guess I need to spam this more on every thread I post in big capital letters so people get it.

Just outsmart 0-0 people, it's almost that easy. Whatever movement you make in o-o space should be spearheaded by your cloaky scout alt(you do have a second account don't you - you can't survive in o-o without one) and maybe the most important skill to stay alive is knowing how to gear up dodge style. Stabs inertia mwd and a cloak are your friends(practice your pulse mwd+cloak+decloak instant warp skill best for avoiding non bubble gate camps. Set instant warp in safe spots on every station you visit - this will be done much safer and easier with your scout alt- and make as many safe spots needed in systems where the distances between celestials are too big to allow scanning. Other than that good luck. You can ask for more tips if you want ingame I'll be happy to set you up.

Ok, so this is a sandbox and you seem to chose the hard way. That's fair enough. But going the hard way in EVE means you die from time to time. It also needs preparation - see Florestan's post for good advice.


Your police example doesn't work in 0.0. There is no law other than what the players make. That player law usually is NBSI. It means everything that is not blue has to die. No matter how threatening it is. Examples why this is done have been given: Scouting, Cynos.


Nobody expects a complete noob with no ISK to go into 0.0 and be successful. That would be pretty stupid situation in regards of the competition, wouldn't it? I doubt there is any MMORPG that offers a newbie the same chances in a direct fight against a much better trained and equipped player.


Making PVE more rewarding would make it more rewarding for the 0.0 locals also, but it would not change their attitude.

It isn't imposing rules, it's giving people options, if someone's clever enough to dodge peoples stupid tactics as I was here then you should be able to get past them, the problem with EVE is CCP has essentially made the rule "I have the biggest ship in the whole region so you have to die now" that isn't what a sandbox should be, I just don't see why I should be forced to wear a cloak or fly in a pod/shuttle to do it because it's killing MY part of the game and I don't even want anything to do with the person trying to gank me.

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