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Assault Frigs- Vengeance vs. Retribution
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Andrew Shadows Shadow
Skeggold Skalmold Skildir ro Klofnir
#1 - 2011-09-17 23:29:14 UTC
Hey Guys,
Im soon to be a bounty hunter](lol). In your opinion what is is better the Vengeance or Retribution?. The vengeance looks way cooler but uses missiles, and the Retribution is a laser ship. What does better DPS? I currently use T2 lasers and it would be kinda nice on not switching to missiles, but if the Vengeance is better i have no choice lol. Whats better in your opinion, and why ?
Jahned
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-17 23:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jahned
Well, I wouldn't recommend a retribution if you are going solo, but if you have a partner, go for it. The vengeance is a great ship, but it's bonused for roflkets, which, unfortunately, cannot kill a fly. The vengeance has a great tank, but the rockets just kill it. Go for the retribution if I were you and find a partner due to it's amazing dps and range, you won't regret it
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#3 - 2011-09-17 23:36:43 UTC
What do you mean by bounty hunter? Are you going to hunt other players for isk or are you going to go shoot NPCs?

If you're going to hunt NPCs the question is as simple as how are your targets resists, do they favour lasers or would rockets - and their changable damagetypes be preferable? Generally I'd advice going with the retribution and try to find appropiate rats rather than the other way around.

If you're going to chase players, both ships will be very hard to use if you're alone, however the lack of mids on the retribution almost makes it a walkover win for the vengeance. I'm not saying the vengeance is terrible, I'm saying there's quite a few ships with a wider spectrum of targets which is noticeably easier to fly well.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#4 - 2011-09-18 10:09:54 UTC
Well for pve it should be simple enough to work out which is better for you.

So im assuming you mean pvp. The retribution has the smallest target selection I can think off, litterally rookie ships and industrials are more viable

The vengence doesnt fair much better, it can win a lot of 1v1s but many wont hang around to die, and often theyll be able to gtfo.

If you want to kill people in a frig go for a daredevil, dramiel (although its a bit lame as its way op) slicer, hookbill, crow, maeldiction. None of these will actually get bounties as they dont have the ability to catch pod unless you already have a bubble up.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#5 - 2011-09-18 10:27:45 UTC
If you want to solo pvp in one of the two of them, then it has to be a vengeance. Dont listen to anyone who says Rockets are crap, since there buff they are, in my experience one of the best frigate weapons for close range fights.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Queue K'Umber
Lucky Golden Emperor's Jade Phoenix Dragon Bistro
#6 - 2011-09-18 13:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Queue K'Umber
Use a Vengeance. Use tackle.
or
Give up "bounty hunting" solo and simply destroy other ships for the beautiful explosion and delicious tears.

I would dearly love to be wrong about the viability of your endeavor.

The Crime and Punishment forum is a veritable fountain of useful information for hunting players with bounties if you are sufficiently observant.

ADDED:
The best system to start your bounty hunting is called Amamake.
1-Up Mushroom
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-09-18 13:39:55 UTC
IMO You can't really compare the Veng and Retri since their two completely different AF's

Mostly just, Veng for solo, Retri for gangs. Veng is "tank no gank" and Retri is "gank no tank"
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Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#8 - 2011-09-18 17:41:10 UTC
Andrew Shadows Shadow wrote:
Hey Guys,
Im soon to be a bounty hunter](lol). In your opinion what is is better the Vengeance or Retribution?. The vengeance looks way cooler but uses missiles, and the Retribution is a laser ship. What does better DPS? I currently use T2 lasers and it would be kinda nice on not switching to missiles, but if the Vengeance is better i have no choice lol. Whats better in your opinion, and why ?

PvE - Retribution. It does very nice DPS at decent range.
PvP - Vengeance. It has nice tank and 3 meds for tackle. Also rockets is nice weapon for pvp, but bad for any kind of PvE where you need damage. Coz Vengeance has no damage :|
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-09-18 20:28:00 UTC
If you curious as to the capabilities of a well flown vengence, follow Taurean Eltanin's adventures here
Ned Black
Driders
#10 - 2011-09-19 06:09:47 UTC
I like the retributions lasers, but since it onlly has one mids lot it is kind of obsolete in PvP if you ask me.

Either you fit a speed mod and watch the target warp away...
or you fit a long point and watch the target speed up and then warp away...
or you fit a short point and hope that the target does not have an AB... because if it does it will run out of range... and warp away.

My vengence however have been able to take on both e double webbing loki and crazy DPS proteus in 1vs1 without breaking a sweat. I must admit I was just as surprised about that as my targets were :p
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-09-19 23:52:51 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
If you want to solo pvp in one of the two of them, then it has to be a vengeance. Dont listen to anyone who says Rockets are crap, since there buff they are, in my experience one of the best frigate weapons for close range fights.


Trust this man, he solo's 10+ things a day in his Vengy.

Plus the Retribution is stupid... 1 mid slot equals unusable ship.

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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#12 - 2011-09-20 07:23:31 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
If you want to solo pvp in one of the two of them, then it has to be a vengeance. Dont listen to anyone who says Rockets are crap, since there buff they are, in my experience one of the best frigate weapons for close range fights.


Trust what this man says, he solo's 10+ things a day in his Vengy.

Plus the Retribution is stupid... 1 mid slot equals unusable ship.

Fixed it for you, actually trusting a pirate because he is good in a certain hull is ... Smile

But yeah, rocket buff did wonders for the Vengeance. EFT still says that it does lol-damage which is why people insist they are crap, but when 90% of it can be applied as opposed to <50% for a higher paper dps gun-boat .. Vengeance is awesome.

Retribution takes a while to get used to and has a fairly limited target selection when solo, basically need to be able to pop the enemy before it can warp, which naturally excludes stuff that a Vengeance will munch with glee. Best damage platforms for gangs bar none as the "minimum safe distance" is loooooong! .. partner it up with a Vengeance or other "I'm a TICK!" tackler for optimal results.
Amar Azaph
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-09-20 14:17:28 UTC
Hey Korg,
Could you stick up a Vengy fit that you use please?
Thanks !

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Khira Kitamatsu
#14 - 2011-09-20 15:58:28 UTC
Autocannons are the way to go in a Vengeance. ^_^ Forget rockets!

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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-09-20 17:16:09 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Autocannons are the way to go in a Vengeance. ^_^ Forget rockets!



Rockets are good now.


PVE: Ret
PVP: Veng
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#16 - 2011-09-20 17:53:55 UTC
[Vengeance, Rockets]
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Generally I use this, but sometimes when Im bored I will use the dual rep fit for a laugh. Cant recommend the above fit enough though.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-20 22:13:42 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
[Vengeance, Rockets]
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Generally I use this, but sometimes when Im bored I will use the dual rep fit for a laugh. Cant recommend the above fit enough though.


Looks good except lack of MWD.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#18 - 2011-09-20 23:05:44 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
[Vengeance, Rockets]
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Generally I use this, but sometimes when Im bored I will use the dual rep fit for a laugh. Cant recommend the above fit enough though.


Looks good except lack of MWD.


As I am in lowsec, I need the MWD less than I need the AB speed boost. Especially when it means I can dictate range within scram on some frigates helping overturn the tank/gank race sometimes.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]