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Speech to the Federal Senate - 6.2.114 - Not All Civilisations Are Equal

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Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
#1 - 2012-02-07 00:47:53 UTC
Contrary to what the relativism of the Sociocrats might argue, for us, not all civilisations are of equal value. In regard to the values held by Gallenteans and I believe by all Federal parties, there are civilisations that we prefer. Those who defend liberty, equality and fraternity, seem to us superior to those who accept tyranny, the subservience of women, social and ethnic hatred.

Gallentean civilisation has uplifted so many others. No civilisation has been unimproved by contact with our people. The dream of a universal Federation of humanity, according to those ideals we hold dear has not yet been achieved. In fact, we are further from our goal that we have been at any time since Federation.

My predecessor in this role warned this chamber many times of the danger posed by the Amarr Empire. He said that, alone, among the peoples of New Eden, the Amarr could never be Federated, could never accept the principles outlined in the Articles of Federation. His warning is as true now as it has always been.

This will be brief, esteemed colleagues, as I am not a verbose man. I leave the Sociocrat members of this assembly with a challenge: Does the Social Democratic Party find a civilisation that enslaves men and women, violates personal and political freedoms, and allows tyranny a civilisation that has the same value as ours?

Consider it well. The future of Gallentean civilisation depends on our answer.

Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station

Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#2 - 2012-02-07 00:55:16 UTC
I would find it hard to believe that a "relativist" (ie. a thoughtful mind) would consider two cultural constructs -- nations, imagined communities -- as being of equal value. After all, isn't that what relativism is?
Senn Typhos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-07 01:24:42 UTC
Hans Nardieu wrote:

Gallentean civilisation has uplifted so many others. No civilisation has been unimproved by contact with our people.



You certainly improved what remains of mine.
Aurelie Severasse
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-07 03:23:58 UTC
Senn Typhos wrote:
Hans Nardieu wrote:

Gallentean civilisation has uplifted so many others. No civilisation has been unimproved by contact with our people.



You certainly improved what remains of mine.


While I find Col. Nardieu's statements to be xenophobic and repugnant in the extreme, I don't think there is any doubt that contact with the Gallente helped improve Caldari civilsation, at least at the beginning.

Unfortunately, I have subsequently come to doubt that either race is civilised at all.
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
#5 - 2012-02-07 03:31:06 UTC
Thankyou for your commentary, Mlle Severasse. Your kind of apologetics are exactly what I was critiquing.

Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station

Kaleigh Doyle
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-02-07 03:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle
It takes an open mind to find common ground with people who originate from a foreign civilization with vastly different ideals than our own. For us to mutually co-exist, a minimal level of understanding for those differences has to be achieved for a lasting peace to endure. Understanding the underpinnings of Amarrian society doesn't mean we share its ideals, or even agree with their practices, it means we are mature enough to respect one another's boundaries to avert open bloodshed. It's called compromise, and it's been the tool of rational people against combative ultra-nationalists for centuries.

While there's no doubt that the Federation and Gallentean culture has much to offer the people of New Eden, it would be folly to pretend that it's without its blemishes. In addition to the three century long conflict against the State, which unfortunately continues to this day, the ever-increasing population of the homeless continues to pervade our society, while matters of national security frequently trample our basic human rights as free people. It is a bleak day for all humanity, when televised executions in front of live audiences are encouraged by the government and applauded by the masses. Is this the vision we wish to share with the remainder of New Eden?

I would hope not.

As founding member and leader of the Progressive Reformist Party, I find your rhetoric both disconcerting and horrendously narrow-minded. Presenting a false-dichotomy of supporting open violence with the Amarr Empire (beyond militas) or supporting slavery and tyranny by maintaining peace with them, is such an absurd over-simplification of the issue that I have to question your general understanding of interstellar politics. I strongly suggest that the Social Democratic Party refuse to play into cheap politics of this kind and maintain their dignity by not responding to this skullduggery.

xoxo
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#7 - 2012-02-07 04:37:27 UTC
Quote:
The dream of a universal Federation of humanity, according to those ideals we hold dear has not yet been achieved.


One of the Luminaire Children wish to start a Reclaiming?

That's Adorable!

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-07 05:22:08 UTC
First, the caldari civilisation was definently NOT helped by contact with the federation. infact we had a war about it. Second, did democracy REALLY help the minmatar? there own culture is to different to federation culture that democracy was never going to work with them. They are only now realising it and getting back onto their feet.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Senn Typhos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-07 05:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Senn Typhos
Aurelie Severasse wrote:
Senn Typhos wrote:
Hans Nardieu wrote:

Gallentean civilisation has uplifted so many others. No civilisation has been unimproved by contact with our people.



You certainly improved what remains of mine.


While I find Col. Nardieu's statements to be xenophobic and repugnant in the extreme, I don't think there is any doubt that contact with the Gallente helped improve Caldari civilsation, at least at the beginning.



I think you misunderstand.

Where I am from, we learn that conflict promotes growth. Strength and discipline are the fruits of overcoming challenges, and without these elements of risk and competition between adversaries, a society cannot grow.

In fact, it was the Federation's genocide and the depletion of the Caldari population that prompted the tube child program, thereby necessitating my existence and that of many productive members of the State. And while the Federation failed in the attempt, their effort to destroy us contributed to their zealous exploration into drone technology as we know it today.

Political parties, in my limited understanding, follow this same logic. The fact that this one's ideology is more aggressive than the Sociocratic variety lends it credence.
Altarr Orkot
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#10 - 2012-02-07 08:39:33 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:
First, the caldari civilisation was definently NOT helped by contact with the federation. infact we had a war about it.


Well the Federation did give the Caldari great practice at wide scale subterfuge, treachery and the use self-victimization to justify just about anything. I'd say it helped quite a bit.
Drasden
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-07 09:54:34 UTC
I will leave out the obvious statements to be made about the the Caldari Prime holocaust, and make the equally as obvious but constantly overlooked one: If you are so intent on liberty, M. Nardieu, then you should likely be focused upon the repression in your own borders.

The Jin-Mei, last I checked, do not share your views.
Jev North
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-02-07 11:31:00 UTC
Perhaps true. Certainly pointless. The real meat of the issue is, what are you going to do with your newfound cultural superiority?

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-07 11:36:25 UTC
I suggest you take a look at what you are saying, perhaps modify your statements to be a bit more amicable to the universe at large, lest you attract the attention of those who truly equalize again.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-02-07 13:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Although I agree with Mr Nardieu's sentiment that not all cultures are equal, I do so only with the stipulation that this is a purely subjective and individual assessment. It is a core failure in the Federal senate, that cultural diversity be pursued at the same time as a clearly imperialistic social and economic model.

The superiority-complex at the heart of the Federation has no better voice than the clear, concise and refreshingly honest views expressed by the good Mr Nardieu. It is to be expected and even applauded that any nation would wish to put itself above it's ideological and territorial rivals, always at the expense of those outside of it's borders and frequently at the expense of those 'outsiders' within it's borders.

The problem, however, lies in the fact that the Federation has always used a much more subtle population control policy of apparently inclusive cultural policies that rarely run deeper than the skin in minority provinces and solar systems. The encouragement of global educational policies and a heavy emphasis on revisionist history is most apparent in current educational reforms regarding the Cal-Gal separatist war in even the most esteemed of academic institutions. As capsuleers we are freed from the majority of such retrospective manipulation, but we lack the means by which to counter-act such perversions of historical integrity. This is not to say that the Federation is the only culprit, but it is certainly the most duplicitous of the nations with regards to saying one thing while enacting policy counter to such noble words.

I, as an individual and knowing that I have no political sway in such matters, would posit that should Mr Nardieu's views become the mainstream policy of the Senate, the Federation would become a much more respectable entity for it's honesty, should it allow it's client populations such as the Intaki, Jin-Mei and Mannar the option of secession and the adoption of a trade partnership instead of the current policy of long-term social erosion that is so clearly the core purpose of the Federal government. Any other result would merely maintain the status quo of speak nobly but act covertly, or confirm the imperial ideals at the heart of this well-meaning but ultimately corrupt institution.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#15 - 2012-02-07 18:47:07 UTC
Firstly, I'd like to point out that the good Chairman here is a Federal Nationalist, and expectations of politically correct statements are fallacy.

Secondly, as Caldari pilots endlessly like to bring up the events from two hundred years ago, I'd point out that the bombardment of Caldari Prime is what the more politically aware of us like to call "extremism". How long did the Ultra-Nationalist government last? Not even a year, which goes to show how long a democratic and pacific Federation can sustain militaristic regimes. Remember, authoritarianism is not organic of the Gallente and Intaki societies. It's like trying to impose democracy on the Caldari, who have had a long history of a bureaucratic authoritarian style of governance. It is inorganic and unnatural of the Caldari.

Thirdly, if the Intaki, Jin-Mei and Mannar should have increased rights, the option to secede, or whatever, so should the people of Luminaire. Last I checked, the capital world of the Federation is Villore IV, and not Gallente Prime. The problem with conservatives or traditionalists is that they like to harp on about the events of yestercentury. Sure, we should learn from our mistakes in history, but basing our entire existence off of the past, like the Caldari do, it's no wonder the Caldari mindset is so inflexible and counter-receptive to change, and it's especially unsurprising that the "forward-looking" nature of Gallente society has made the Federation unmatched in its progressive policies.

The constitutional, legal and political makeup of the Federal government has changed more frequently in ten years, than it has in the Amarr Empire for a thousand.
Kat Robspierre
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-02-07 19:36:10 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
I suggest you take a look at what you are saying, perhaps modify your statements to be a bit more amicable to the universe at large, lest you attract the attention of those who truly equalize again.


M. Airaken,

Given recent events, your statement causes concern. I hope that you appreciate that Col. Nardieu represents only the views of the FNP, and not the general views of Federal Consensus Outreach.

Any concerns or opinions you have with his politics, we at FCO encourage you to address Col. Nardieu directly, and hopefully peacefully.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Firstly, I'd like to point out that the good Chairman here is a Federal Nationalist, and expectations of politically correct statements are fallacy.

Secondly, as Caldari pilots endlessly like to bring up the events from two hundred years ago, I'd point out that the bombardment of Caldari Prime is what the more politically aware of us like to call "extremism". How long did the Ultra-Nationalist government last? Not even a year, which goes to show how long a democratic and pacific Federation can sustain militaristic regimes. Remember, authoritarianism is not organic of the Gallente and Intaki societies. It's like trying to impose democracy on the Caldari, who have had a long history of a bureaucratic authoritarian style of governance. It is inorganic and unnatural of the Caldari.

Thirdly, if the Intaki, Jin-Mei and Mannar should have increased rights, the option to secede, or whatever, so should the people of Luminaire. Last I checked, the capital world of the Federation is Villore IV, and not Gallente Prime. The problem with conservatives or traditionalists is that they like to harp on about the events of yestercentury. Sure, we should learn from our mistakes in history, but basing our entire existence off of the past, like the Caldari do, it's no wonder the Caldari mindset is so inflexible and counter-receptive to change, and it's especially unsurprising that the "forward-looking" nature of Gallente society has made the Federation unmatched in its progressive policies.

The constitutional, legal and political makeup of the Federal government has changed more frequently in ten years, than it has in the Amarr Empire for a thousand.


M. Inhonores makes a number of excellent points. Our society is not well suited to authoritarian or militaristic regimes - indeed we are often at a loss when things become static. We thrive on change, and hence encourage other civilizations to enjoy that change as well.

K. Robspierre

http://chasingISK.blogspot.com

Senn Typhos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-07 20:15:33 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

Secondly, as Caldari pilots endlessly like to bring up the events from two hundred years ago, I'd point out that the bombardment of Caldari Prime is what the more politically aware of us like to call "extremism". How long did the Ultra-Nationalist government last? Not even a year, which goes to show how long a democratic and pacific Federation can sustain militaristic regimes.


We could instead discuss the Federation's POW scandal, if you prefer, since that came to light roughly one year ago.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2012-02-07 20:27:09 UTC
I think Mr Nardieu might be surprised the day when the Federation will actually absorb other cultures (or just "touch" them to use the same words) and "improve" them, if such thing is even possible. Much like it is currently the case with the important minmatar native immigrants and citizens that live in the Federation - and have been constantly harassed by Mr Nardieu predecessors in the past.

What people fail to understand is that even a rigid and strict entity such as the Amarr Empire always ends up changed by the assimilation of another culture. Which might not be to the taste of the Federal Nationalist Party.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#19 - 2012-02-07 20:34:23 UTC
Senn Typhos wrote:
We could instead discuss the Federation's POW scandal, if you prefer, since that came to light roughly one year ago.


As if the Caldari State does a good job of distinguishing "civilian" from "soldier" themselves. I suppose that's what you get when you're bombarded from space by fascists, forcing everyone to pull their own weight in equal fashion.

Anyway, war brings out the worst in human nature, and human nature is not contigent with any culture or society. Inhumane actions occur from all sides in a war. As you just called it, it was a "scandal", as the population went into a moral outcry, believing such behaviour to not be appropiate or acceptable according to Federal ideals. They felt it was not 'organic' behaviour.
Mammal Tafren
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#20 - 2012-02-07 21:03:06 UTC
Kaleigh Doyle wrote:

As founding member and leader of the Progressive Reformist Party, I find your rhetoric both disconcerting and horrendously narrow-minded. Presenting a false-dichotomy of supporting open violence with the Amarr Empire (beyond militas) or supporting slavery and tyranny by maintaining peace with them, is such an absurd over-simplification of the issue that I have to question your general understanding of interstellar politics. I strongly suggest that the Social Democratic Party refuse to play into cheap politics of this kind and maintain their dignity by not responding to this skullduggery.

xoxo


Kaleigh,

I feel like the FCO could use a balanced and reasonable individual yourself to counter the voice of the Nationalists, if the organisation is to be a voice for what is good about the Federation.
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