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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#21 - 2012-02-07 02:32:33 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Since the rebalancing of hybrid weaponry, especially the oft maligned railguns, how have they changed? I remember flying a Ferox into some missions, and how it was not up to scratch compared to a Drake, which I have flown for quite some time now. I used to enjoy rails immensely, saw them as the best weapon for Caldari ships. Then I saw the mediocre railguns for the medium tier class, which were often less powerful than missiles of a type that enemy ships are resistant to, and basically had to go back and redo some skill training in order to fly some missile boats. Since the patch though... are they viable at this point? Or are hybrids and the ships that were built around them (Rokh, Ferox, Moa) fall flat on their face?


I can't speak to rails (I don't use them), but I can say that blasters are pretty ridiculous at the things blasters are supposed to be good at. And a lot of the things that autocannons are supposed to be good at.

-Liang



In a RANGE bonused ship using guns that were already fine before the bosst and that just became insane.

C'mon 500dps in a T2 fitted Enyo is the dps you get out of a cookie cutter shield autos/neut cane, it's just ridiculous.
Faction officer fit it for lols and you get over 700DPS.

I don't call this balance.


Er.... Just fly an Enyo too then. Roll

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Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-07 02:38:43 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Ah, thank you for the continued responses to the thread. This all arose after I saw a youtube comment about how the Naga would be a failure because it was turned into a gunboat instead of a missile ship.


Don't read youtube comments. Those people are in the very bowels of human society
Allyia Base
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-02-07 03:05:54 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Since the rebalancing of hybrid weaponry, especially the oft maligned railguns, how have they changed? I remember flying a Ferox into some missions, and how it was not up to scratch compared to a Drake, which I have flown for quite some time now. I used to enjoy rails immensely, saw them as the best weapon for Caldari ships. Then I saw the mediocre railguns for the medium tier class, which were often less powerful than missiles of a type that enemy ships are resistant to, and basically had to go back and redo some skill training in order to fly some missile boats. Since the patch though... are they viable at this point? Or are hybrids and the ships that were built around them (Rokh, Ferox, Moa) fall flat on their face?


I can't speak to rails (I don't use them), but I can say that blasters are pretty ridiculous at the things blasters are supposed to be good at. And a lot of the things that autocannons are supposed to be good at.

-Liang



In a RANGE bonused ship using guns that were already fine before the bosst and that just became insane.

C'mon 500dps in a T2 fitted Enyo is the dps you get out of a cookie cutter shield autos/neut cane, it's just ridiculous.
Faction officer fit it for lols and you get over 700DPS.

I don't call this balance.


Sounds like fun.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-02-07 03:09:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Wacktopia wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Since the rebalancing of hybrid weaponry, especially the oft maligned railguns, how have they changed? I remember flying a Ferox into some missions, and how it was not up to scratch compared to a Drake, which I have flown for quite some time now. I used to enjoy rails immensely, saw them as the best weapon for Caldari ships. Then I saw the mediocre railguns for the medium tier class, which were often less powerful than missiles of a type that enemy ships are resistant to, and basically had to go back and redo some skill training in order to fly some missile boats. Since the patch though... are they viable at this point? Or are hybrids and the ships that were built around them (Rokh, Ferox, Moa) fall flat on their face?


I can't speak to rails (I don't use them), but I can say that blasters are pretty ridiculous at the things blasters are supposed to be good at. And a lot of the things that autocannons are supposed to be good at.

-Liang



In a RANGE bonused ship using guns that were already fine before the bosst and that just became insane.

C'mon 500dps in a T2 fitted Enyo is the dps you get out of a cookie cutter shield autos/neut cane, it's just ridiculous.
Faction officer fit it for lols and you get over 700DPS.

I don't call this balance.


Er.... Just fly an Enyo too then. Roll


You are just usefull to this dicussion as your posts are constructive and interesting to read.

It's ok every thread needs some trolls and some pawns. Lol

Edit: And I do have an Enyo in TQ + explosed some of those on SISI for testing while you were just being a pawn Lol
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#25 - 2012-02-07 04:33:56 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Since the rebalancing of hybrid weaponry, especially the oft maligned railguns, how have they changed? I remember flying a Ferox into some missions, and how it was not up to scratch compared to a Drake, which I have flown for quite some time now. I used to enjoy rails immensely, saw them as the best weapon for Caldari ships. Then I saw the mediocre railguns for the medium tier class, which were often less powerful than missiles of a type that enemy ships are resistant to, and basically had to go back and redo some skill training in order to fly some missile boats. Since the patch though... are they viable at this point? Or are hybrids and the ships that were built around them (Rokh, Ferox, Moa) fall flat on their face?


I can't speak to rails (I don't use them), but I can say that blasters are pretty ridiculous at the things blasters are supposed to be good at. And a lot of the things that autocannons are supposed to be good at.

-Liang



In a RANGE bonused ship using guns that were already fine before the bosst and that just became insane.

C'mon 500dps in a T2 fitted Enyo is the dps you get out of a cookie cutter shield autos/neut cane, it's just ridiculous.
Faction officer fit it for lols and you get over 700DPS.

I don't call this balance.


I'm sorry, what exactly are you trying to say? You're obviously trying to make a funny of some kind but it simply doesn't make any sense.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#26 - 2012-02-07 04:46:51 UTC
AF are not going to inspire the rage that the Dramiel did. The are either at your throat or at your feet. The feared "Dual Prop" fit goes too slow to escape, well, anything tbh.

As for the Enyo - 500 DPS is glass cannon on a 40 - 50 million isk investment. I'd use a catalyst instead. You want to faction fit it? I did that with a DD after the hybrid buff. I won't ever do it again. It leads to embarrasing loss mails. Cry
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-02-07 05:51:29 UTC
Wait why would you faction fit an enyo? It does just fine with a t2/meta fit and should only cost ~30mil, or less if the prices start falling back down a bit.
Hans Zwaardhandler
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-02-07 21:04:38 UTC
Rails are still the glass cannon they were before the patch, didn't expect much change there.

Has the Eagle made a comeback? I remember hearing before the patch was deployed that it was actually able to make a profit by just reprocessing the ship.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#29 - 2012-02-07 21:11:39 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Rails are still the glass cannon they were before the patch, didn't expect much change there.

Has the Eagle made a comeback? I remember hearing before the patch was deployed that it was actually able to make a profit by just reprocessing the ship.


No, the Eagle hasn't made a comeback, and yes I used to buy and reprocess Eagles for a small profit (that was me).

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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