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Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-06 18:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Omen, Maller or Thorax.


Bahaha Lol

An Omen has massve trouble fitting FMPL's, a MWD, and an 800mm plate. Meanwhile, the Rupture can fit a 1600 plate, 220 vulcans and a MWD fairly easily. Even with Quad Light beam lasers you need two ancillary current routers if you want the 1600 plate + MWD.

The Maller is good for nothing except bait. It's slow, it has minimal tackle abilities, its DPS is largely pathetic. And since everyone knows it's bait, it can't even do its bait role well.

The Thorax is actually kind of decent now, being able to fit electrons and a 1600 plate. It's definitely not as bad as it used to be.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-02-06 18:59:45 UTC
Roosterton wrote:

Bahaha Lol

An Omen has massve trouble fitting FMPL's, a MWD, and an 800mm plate. Meanwhile, the Rupture can fit a 1600 plate, 220 vulcans and a MWD fairly easily. Even with Quad Light beam lasers you need two ancillary current routers if you want the 1600 plate + MWD.


So because a Rupture can, everything else should as well? Factoring in that almost all Minmatar can slap just about whatever they want on almost all their hulls? Omen works fine with 800mm plates, its just tight.

Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-02-06 19:22:31 UTC
Quote:
So because a Rupture can, everything else should as well? Factoring in that almost all Minmatar can slap just about whatever they want on almost all their hulls? Omen works fine with 800mm plates, its just tight.


So you're perfectly happy with the Rupture being superior to the Omen in every way?

I mean, I wouldn't mind the Omen failing to fit a 1600 plate if it actually had an advantage in some other way, but it doesn't. Rupture gets more DPS due to two damage bonuses. It gets utility slots for neuts. It's faster. Did I mention that it has capless guns, switchable damage types, and better tracking?
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-02-06 19:32:37 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
I mean, I wouldn't mind the Omen failing to fit a 1600 plate if it actually had an advantage in some other way, but it doesn't. Rupture gets more DPS due to two damage bonuses. It gets utility slots for neuts. It's faster. Did I mention that it has capless guns, switchable damage types, and better tracking?


From an alt, last year, having fun with a Cruiser Roam, I'm in the Omen.
Omen DPS

Next?
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#25 - 2012-02-06 19:35:57 UTC
Xolve wrote:
I don't want cookie cuter ships in my EvE.

Are some ships underwheling? Sure.
Is CCP forcing you to fly them? No.

If anything, I'd like to see less cookie cutter ships (3 ships of each size balanced across the races), and see more ships viable to that races style of play; based on game lore, wouldn't Minmatar be primarily small, lightweight and fast ships (cruisers and frigates), as opposed to Gallente who have the huge structure tanking behemoths (battlecruisers/battleships).


i agree with no cookie cuter ships, however i do want ships with more defined roles.

i m not old enough but i do know ORIGINALLY in eve it was like that.
amarr had huge SLOW ships, with TONS of EHP, BBQPWN weaponry but they were SUPER expensive.

Minmatar were all like slim fast ships, etc etc. not sure of the details.


but for some reason CCP decided against it. any chance some bittervet beta player can illuminate us about this?
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-02-06 19:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
Xolve wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
I mean, I wouldn't mind the Omen failing to fit a 1600 plate if it actually had an advantage in some other way, but it doesn't. Rupture gets more DPS due to two damage bonuses. It gets utility slots for neuts. It's faster. Did I mention that it has capless guns, switchable damage types, and better tracking?


From an alt, last year, having fun with a Cruiser Roam, I'm in the Omen.
Omen DPS

Next?



GJ, you got top damage on a killmail with an Omen. This surely proves that Omens have the best DPS of all cruisers, and definitely has nothing to do with skillpoints, how long you were shooting at it for, killmail glitchiness, terrible allies, what range you were at, or anything like that. Nope, this single killmail is DEFINITIVE PROOF that Omens have the best DPS of ALL TIME.

Roll

I could just as easily find a killmail where a Rupture is higher than an Omen in damage dealt. Then your point will be completely nullified.

Or we could stick to things like logic and math. Y'know, like smart people.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#27 - 2012-02-06 19:38:19 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
I mean, I wouldn't mind the Omen failing to fit a 1600 plate if it actually had an advantage in some other way, but it doesn't. Rupture gets more DPS due to two damage bonuses. It gets utility slots for neuts. It's faster. Did I mention that it has capless guns, switchable damage types, and better tracking?


From an alt, last year, having fun with a Cruiser Roam, I'm in the Omen.
Omen DPS

Next?




sweet, and the Omen i think is a good defined ship, however.... i would be more impressed in that battle if it was maybe 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 and not a lot on 1.

with such numbers, the weakness of the omen is not so noticeable, which is its paper tank, but you show very well it has all the potential to do its main role, deal sick dps.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-02-06 19:39:25 UTC
Roosterton wrote:

GJ, you got top damage on a killmail with an Omen. This surely proves that Omens have the best DPS of all cruisers, and definitely has nothing to do with skillpoints, how long you were shooting at it for, killmail glitchiness, terrible allies, what range you were at, or anything like that. Nope, this single killmail is DEFINITIVE PROOF that Omens have the best DPS of ALL TIME.

Roll

I could just as easily find a killmail where a Rupture is higher than an Omen in damage dealt. Then your point will be completely nullified.

Or we could stick to things like logic and math. Y'know, like smart people.


MY OMEN BRINGS ALL THE BOYS TO THE YARD

DAMN RIGHT, ITS BETTER THEN YOURS

AND DAMN RIGHT, ITS BETTER THEN YOURS

I COULD TEACH YOU, BUT I'D HAVE TO CHARGE.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-02-06 19:45:44 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
sweet, and the Omen i think is a good defined ship, however.... i would be more impressed in that battle if it was maybe 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 and not a lot on 1.

with such numbers, the weakness of the omen is not so noticeable, which is its paper tank, but you show very well it has all the potential to do its main role, deal sick dps.


I actually lost that ship, and it took quite a beating.

I'm not saying its King Dingaling when it comes to be as versatile or stable as a Rupture, I was merely implying that in PvP its not a worthless hull. Ager, the whole purpose of that roam was to go balls out, die gloriously, and kill as much stuff as possible, Given that we killed an Astarte, 3 Drakes, and a Harbinger before we died meant that overall, the Op was a success.

What the battlereport doesn't show is that Frangus was a 60m SP pilot at that time, flying with a bunch of newbro's (~10-15m SP, most not using T2 guns) but this was also that most of the :nofux: roams tend to be with cheaply fitted ships... A small gang of T1 ships is an effective way to oust T2 ships away.

Another example.. T2/T3 Losses to T1 Cruisers (As the victim)
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#30 - 2012-02-06 19:48:48 UTC
exequror navy issue needs:

1 more turret highslot
1 more mid slot
more pg... enough to fit nuetrons 800 and a medium cap injector...
30 m3/ mb/sec for the drone bay
increase scan resolution

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-02-06 21:20:44 UTC
exequror
Augoror
Osprey
Scythe
Procuror

The Osprey and are used as mining cruisers, the Exequror and Augoror have no use as far as I can tell.
(aside from LOL reps outside stations if you are too poor/unskilled to use a proper logi)

Make these ships into less effective versions of their T2 brethren.
What, no mining cruiser now?
Drop the Skill reqs on the procuror to serve in stead of the osprey or scythe.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2012-02-07 03:32:48 UTC
Osprey could use soem more CPU and a cap projector range bonus rather than a mining bonus. I really don't understand the logic behind having mining cruisers. May as well just train for a mining ship. Takes about the same amount of time and you get better results.

As for the Caracal, I can get 2x LSEIIs and a MWD II on it without any problems, and I still don't have AWU 5. Just not with HMLs. And to be honest, HMLs don't give you all that much more dps than AMLs due to the much faster RoF on AMLs. Also, you have to consider that heavies will apply less damage due to target speed/size. It can also fit enough buffer to take a couple direct hits from Tier 3 BCs.

Caracal really doens't deserve to be on this list. But if CCP wants to give it some more PG, I won't complain.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
shadowace00007
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-02-10 04:39:04 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quote:
the Maller is fine.

You mean besides being utterly worthless for everything except bait? And it's not even much good at that, because everyone with any experience knows it's bait.
In actual combat it's a brick with pathetic DPS, no drones, and no EWAR ability, making it dead weight.



The key to the Maller is just that of a Zealot Low sig and decent EHP. the DPS however is lower but its a low tear ship its expected. And any ship can be considered bait. but anyways this thread is getting ridiculous. All the ships should not be the same though some do need a buff to make them useful. Just leave it at that.

Born Amarrian Raised Minmatar.
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#34 - 2012-02-10 04:54:23 UTC
The Maller makes spectacularly good, cheap heavy tackle for AHACs and armor small gangs. They can muster a ridiculous amount of EHP.
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