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Nullsec fleet doctorines, how many are you aware of and who uses them?
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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#21 - 2012-02-06 17:53:57 UTC
Thorn bombers.... Large fleets of I believe afterburner fit, Torps heavy or Torps only bombers. They may carry a bomb launcher, but usually not extra bombs. I know Fail liked them for some sbu killing. Cheaper than a bs, fast, cloaky, yet can throw out good dps against structures. Mind you, this was pre-crucible, so things may have changed.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-02-06 17:57:02 UTC
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Boosted is from command links? Still learning some of the verbage.


Yes. Or "linked" as well.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-02-06 20:45:16 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Boosted is from command links? Still learning some of the verbage.


Yes. Or "linked" as well.


Thank you.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Stetson Eagle
Paird Technology
#24 - 2012-02-06 23:33:28 UTC
Rokh fleet has the benefit of instant shield logistics with good resists which improves kill / death ratio in the fights you are winning.

A rail rokh has a very effective range of 150km, which is a bit better than the regular alpha Abaddon/maelstrom (130-ish lock, less guns).
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#25 - 2012-02-07 01:26:35 UTC
Stetson Eagle wrote:
Rokh fleet has the benefit of instant shield logistics with good resists which improves kill / death ratio in the fights you are winning.

A rail rokh has a very effective range of 150km, which is a bit better than the regular alpha Abaddon/maelstrom (130-ish lock, less guns).


I'd love to fly my Rokh in PvP, but I don't find it's called for too often, at least not as a railbird.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Allyia Base
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-02-07 01:47:33 UTC
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Stetson Eagle wrote:
Rokh fleet has the benefit of instant shield logistics with good resists which improves kill / death ratio in the fights you are winning.

A rail rokh has a very effective range of 150km, which is a bit better than the regular alpha Abaddon/maelstrom (130-ish lock, less guns).


I'd love to fly my Rokh in PvP, but I don't find it's called for too often, at least not as a railbird.


Outside of a fleet I don't think there's any use for them, not that it's bothersome really. If you want a hybrid boat for skirmish environs you train gallente.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-02-07 01:52:05 UTC
Allyia Base wrote:
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Stetson Eagle wrote:
Rokh fleet has the benefit of instant shield logistics with good resists which improves kill / death ratio in the fights you are winning.

A rail rokh has a very effective range of 150km, which is a bit better than the regular alpha Abaddon/maelstrom (130-ish lock, less guns).


I'd love to fly my Rokh in PvP, but I don't find it's called for too often, at least not as a railbird.


Outside of a fleet I don't think there's any use for them, not that it's bothersome really. If you want a hybrid boat for skirmish environs you train gallente.


Can fly Gallente frigates, cruisers and BCs.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-02-07 01:55:32 UTC
I will not stop troll the bad stuff untill I see sniper megathrons/hyperions with decent dmg (witch is almost good now with recent changes but need a little more) and some decent scan resolution, not the stupid thing it is today with 4 sebos scripted scan you still get pop by any Tornado gang before you can target a single one. (even my fleet maelstrom can target frigs faster than my sebo megathron)

I'd really like to mainly fly gallente but seems unless you fly Taranis/Enyos Lachesis/Arazu (forget armor tank and damps, it's shield tank and long range points only) or Thanatos/Nyx/Erebus you're not very welcome in any null sec fleet or you'll be the lols of everyone in your fleet Lol
Because they're 2 systems ahead and you're still slowly warping and esperately trying to catch them, because when you finaly target something primaried by the FC it's already dead and because overall it's really bad for fleets even after those small little changes that improved slightly med/large guns and made small just fotom guns.

So if you fly gallente and want to fly only gallente find high sec grieffing corps or go to low sec play station/gate games where gallente shines (like before those changes? W8 )

If you want to have fun in some larger environement, participate in large fleets/gangs, play with a lot of people from different places and have some great fun (or not) then you don't have much of a choice than be able to fly minmatar/amarr/caldari and respective guns for: interceptors/dictors/Hics/HAC's/logis/battlecruisers/battleships/reccons
Allyia Base
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-02-07 02:53:53 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

If you want to have fun in some larger environement, participate in large fleets/gangs, play with a lot of people from different places and have some great fun (or not) then you don't have much of a choice than be able to fly minmatar/amarr/caldari and respective guns for: interceptors/dictors/Hics/HAC's/logis/battlecruisers/battleships/reccons



I fly a talos whenever i'm not in a fleet. vOv

While I can agree there aren't too many options for gallente getting into a fleet, there are some. Doesn't really matter what dictor or ceptor you're flying, hacs seem to be irrelevant thanks to the naga and tornado, and what fleet wouldn't want a 100km point gallente recon/t3 around?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-02-07 03:41:07 UTC
Indeed those are the good points I kept for training gallente but I'm still Shocked each time I fly those and see the effectivness/fun factor of my poor matar skils compared with gallente:

-Rapier/Huggin: don't even ask if it's needed just get in the fleet/gang and rush
Also: deadly solo vs a very large spectrum of ships

-Munin/Vagabond: do I really need to comment those for fleets?
Also: both are deadly in solo or small gangs vs a very large spectrum of ships

-Shield cane, armor cane, cane with cane, cane alone, cane in gangs, cane in fleets, cane is cane, why would you ask cane why? Lol

-Nano Tempest 800mm or 1400/1200 Arty Malstrom: you don't use your Megathron anymore after using those or just for lols
Also: excelent in gangs for bait (Maelstrom can tank a hell of dps) or blast stuff with decent+ DPS @ med/close range (Pest)
While having less dps or tank than blaster megathrons/hyperions the mobility and ability to swap dmg type is a real advantage

All these ships have something common: dmg selection, range dmg aplication/alpha, mobility, strong tanks.

Now I love to fly my gallente ships but I hate gate/station pussie games and not good enough with to pick good fights vs several in my lonely gallente uber hero stuff. Lol
Allyia Base
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-02-07 03:53:19 UTC
Well honestly any pilot solidly trained in just one race, be that cal, gal, or amarr is going to (at some point) look over the consistently good to awesome ships all across the minmatar line and be jealous. No other race is as functionally effective in as many scenarios. The best one can do in that situation is specialize on strong ships in their own race and know eventually they'll be cross trained to everything.

When push comes to shove the fleet doc metagame for minmatar is propped up entirely by alpha. If CCP really wanted to put minmatar in the same box as gallente (skirmish ships with a few fleet-friendly options) all they would have to do is put artillery stats in the place of rail stats and vice versa. Gallente and caldari would then become the armor and shield alpha ships, respectively.
kalbrak Jr
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-02-10 11:18:25 UTC
Armor tanked Pulse Oracles seem to be working out well these days. Setup with armor tanked Rapiers and Arazus for long range tackle and a few logistic ships to keep everyone alive, this fleet will burn through any shield tanked gang you come across.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#33 - 2012-02-10 11:22:44 UTC
Gallente FW doctorine-Fly things till they explode, then undock more. My favoret fleet doctorine. Lol

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-12 10:11:35 UTC
I had a super cool reply lined up but the forum ate it and i can't be rectumed to write it again. To OP, hit me up if you want some details.

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