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Faction Battle Cruisers!! (and people arguing about ship balance)
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Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#1 - 2012-02-07 00:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Bearilian
try and tell me how the pirate, or navy factions would not love to use the bc hull ships for their own designs?

I'm not posting specific ideas, only so that it is not shot down. first we should see how many people are for or against such an addition. also if anyone has been thinking of a design feel free to post it in.

(I'm also not saying that we should see more ships before they takle the balancing of tiers and lower class ships)
Danel Tosh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-07 01:09:15 UTC
OH YEAH!! +1
most factions already have thier versions of first tier battlecrusiers. the blood raiders have a suped up prophecyand the serpentis have a modified brutix to name a few.
give these ships new skins and let us capsulears put them to use!
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-02-07 01:38:36 UTC
No, No, No, No, No.

CCP is already struggling to balance T1 Battlecruisers, no need to heap Faction ones on top of that.. you really want to start seeing fleets of faction Drakes/Hurricanes?
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#4 - 2012-02-07 02:13:32 UTC
were you seriously thinking i was talking about either drakes or canes? I'm not asking for the market to be flooded by all the matching possibilities. but it would be nice to see them be implemented. I even stated that we should wait till the current rebalancing goals have been fixed.
I dont really know, but i do feel that ccp does not want a "well rounded" "everythings equal" game. they want to create diversity and continually add to the mechanics. and based off this, yes i want to see more variations so that not everyone is flying just a drake or a hurricane...
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-07 02:33:28 UTC
Xolve wrote:
No, No, No, No, No.

CCP is already struggling to balance T1 Battlecruisers, no need to heap Faction ones on top of that.. you really want to start seeing fleets of faction Drakes/Hurricanes?

I was picturing how OP it would be if you were to combine the myrm and the drake. ultra tank with drone swarm capability and a half dozen missile launcher points.
Lucjan
Deutzer Freiheit
#6 - 2012-02-07 02:58:19 UTC
New ships should be coming out on a monthly basis.

However, we just had a battlecruiser release...that is the only concern.

Otherwise,
The Gallente empire and its people requests Myrmidon hulls be used.
Faction Myrmidon. Please.

OPTIONAL : strength of three empires in one ship, but one major weakness that will bring it down quick
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-07 04:11:18 UTC
Lucjan wrote:

OPTIONAL : strength of three empires in one ship, but one major weakness that will bring it down quick

"because of massive inter-faction bickering, they never could decide on a tanking method for this ship, as such they didn't put any on it and instead opted for more guns."
give it 12 medium weapon hardpoints, and 12 high slots, with a ROF bonus to the weapon systems of all 3 factions. but it will fry faster than a shuttle and it's got the sig of a BS.
Danel Tosh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-08 19:05:44 UTC
Just so we are clear, the Factions dont often use second tier battlecrusiers anyway. so a faction drake, myrm, or Hurricane will never be included in any such releace.
what we might see is a Gurista's Ferox or a Blood Raider's Prophecy.

however im also a bit confused on how the skills would work since the Battlecrusier skill is non racial, unless you want to include the racial Crusier skills of each required race.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-02-08 19:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Kreul Intentions
Still No, Just No.

Anyone agreeing that faction battlecruisers would be a good idea are scrublords [snip] that fail at EvE. Seriously.

*Language removed*

Kreul Intentions
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-08 20:29:33 UTC
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when will we see

When the game needs/would benefit from them - so not for a very long time.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2012-02-08 20:31:20 UTC
Lucjan wrote:
New ships should be coming out on a monthly basis.


Absolutely not. One issue we already have is the way that currently only some ships are used and others are rarely used. Flooding the game with more ships would do nothing but make it worse (especially since they would have minimal development and balancing time put into them and would end up half-done.

I wish I could believe this was a troll post, but your previous threads indicate that you're likely serious (which is an even scarier thought).
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-02-08 21:26:15 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Lucjan wrote:
New ships should be coming out on a monthly basis.


Absolutely not. One issue we already have is the way that currently only some ships are used and others are rarely used. Flooding the game with more ships would do nothing but make it worse (especially since they would have minimal development and balancing time put into them and would end up half-done.

I wish I could believe this was a troll post, but your previous threads indicate that you're likely serious (which is an even scarier thought).


Quoted for truth. New ships coming out every month is a laughable idea and would destroy the game in short order.
T'Khlau
Somnium Vita
#13 - 2012-02-08 22:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: T'Khlau
Xolve wrote:
No, No, No, No, No.

CCP is already struggling to balance T1 Battlecruisers, no need to heap Faction ones on top of that.. you really want to start seeing fleets of faction Drakes/Hurricanes?


This is not faction drakes, this is Faction battlecruisers for the pirates, big brother of the Cynabal and Gila, not different coloured drakes

Actually I'd like to see ALL factions have their own ships. (Khanid, Ammatar, Thukker etc) for all classes

and as to balancing, the only issue there's been with balancing is CCP's historical ineptitude and lack of interest in iterating what's there. You think they actually spent, what 2 years?, thinking about the Assault frigs?
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-02-08 22:07:35 UTC
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This is not faction drakes, this is Faction battlecruisers for the pirates, big brother of the Cynabal and Gila, not different coloured drakes

Yes, because the game totally needs those and there is totally a niché for what's basically a Hurricane but 20x better.

Quote:
and as to balancing, the only issue there's been with balancing is CCP's historical ineptitude and lack of interest in iterating what's there. You think they actually spent, what 2 years?, thinking about the Assault frigs?

A historical lack of interest that came round to seriously bite them a few months back, and the time after that has been marked by a lot more progress. Seems they're learning.
T'Khlau
Somnium Vita
#15 - 2012-02-08 22:33:12 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quote:
This is not faction drakes, this is Faction battlecruisers for the pirates, big brother of the Cynabal and Gila, not different coloured drakes

Yes, because the game totally needs those and there is totally a niché for what's basically a Hurricane but 20x better.

Quote:
and as to balancing, the only issue there's been with balancing is CCP's historical ineptitude and lack of interest in iterating what's there. You think they actually spent, what 2 years?, thinking about the Assault frigs?

A historical lack of interest that came round to seriously bite them a few months back, and the time after that has been marked by a lot more progress. Seems they're learning.


20* better, did i say that? Did i mention supercaps anywhere?

And your right they have learned, we can live in hope
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-08 22:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
Well given the Cynabal and Machariel are a couple of hilariously overpowered faceroll-mobiles (as was the Dramiel, pre-nerf), more Angel ships in the game is hardly a good thing.

(Overpowered race + overpowered ship size... oh god)
T'Khlau
Somnium Vita
#17 - 2012-02-08 22:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: T'Khlau
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Well given the Cynabal and Machariel are a couple of hilariously overpowered faceroll-mobiles (as was the Dramiel, pre-nerf), more Angel ships in the game is hardly a good thing.


I only picked their names because they were at the top of my head, but that does bring us round to balance. I have no problem with a new batch of ships, what i do have an issue is the number of extremely badly balanced ships. Too many players confuse the two.

Sorry I should have also said I have no problem with serious nerfing of overpowered ships.
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#18 - 2012-02-09 09:52:54 UTC
well, as expected, this post got pretty much out of hand. I enjoy having both extremes; the people who want more of what i suggest to the point of ballance deterioration, and then the people who believe that any additions are OverPowered creations bent on destroying EVEs mechanics.

-I agree that we should not have ships released monthly, because ccp barely gets around to balancing the ones we already have.
-and no... neither I or anyone else in this thread has asked for either the drake or cane to be used...

there should be at least navy versions of every class of ship in this game (I said "class", not every model)(or at least up to battleships). I'm not asking for a super tank. I'm not asking for a 20X dps. there are a lot of interesting roles ships can take, and pirate versions are the perfect opertunity to come out with one or two without having to do one for every race (ie tier 3 bc's).

the best part is that all the haters in this thread, do what they can to keep eve the same. but when the time comes that CCP chooses to implement new ships, there is nothing you can do about it.

(Also do not forget, i do strongly believe that nothing like this should be developed until the balancing of current ships get a real good overhaul)
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-02-09 09:55:12 UTC
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the best part is that all the haters in this thread, do what they can to keep eve the same. but when the time comes that CCP chooses to implement new ships, there is nothing you can do about it.

Wrong, I'm all in favour of adding more variation to this game - and the way to do that is through reworking the dozens of broken ships we have, not introducing more shiny, overpriced pirate pwnmobiles to it.
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#20 - 2012-02-09 10:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bearilian
Duchess, you are not very good at arguing. you pick up on one thing i say and assume it defines the entire point of view. In the very comment you were attempting to "quote", I make it very clear that i do in fact agree with what you are trying to say.
Yes, ccp should focus on rebalancing, and even re-purposing the ships we already have. I have been apart of the forums for tieracide and/or variations of such(t1 logi's need some love anyone?). I would love to see most of the first couple of tier ships have actual purpose, and not be scrap metal. But, that really has little to do with the idea of creating additions to the navy and pirate faction models. If you are afraid of "pwnmobiles", then let us create more dynamic variations which are not OP.

(once again you make me reiterate; I do not think we should see more ships actually be implemented untit the balance of current ships is addressed) -this does not mean we can't start the development phase, since it would take years anyways..
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