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Cut high sec botting by 1/2 to 1/3, overnight. Also boost high sec piracy!
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Dodona
The Guardian Knights
#1 - 2012-02-06 20:52:16 UTC
Our poor and belittled Bloods, Serpentis and other maligned NPC factions have finally had enough. They have seen too many of their asteroids crunched and eaten, the profit collected by ceaseless beings. They have watched for too long in silent mourning as billions of their comrades have died to merciless automatons.

They know they are outgunned.

They will pay handsomely for revenge.

Any pilot who kills an NPC ship or mines will start a countdown. The count starts from 16, and each half hour with an incidence of ratting or mining reduces the count by 1. Once the count reaches 0, the pilot will be punished with a bounty placed by these NPC factions, redeemable to anyone destroying that pilot's current ship. The bounty is given as a percentage of that ship's current average price, and increases each additional half hour of ratting or mining.

Killing a pilot flying a Reaper with a 10% NPC bounty will reward the killer 0.00 ISK

Killing a pilot flying a CNR with a 10% NPC bounty will reward the killer ~35 Million ISK.

The maximum NPC bounty + net maximum insurance payout would be less than the total value of the ship. The countdown is reset every 24 hours.

Our NPC pirate friends are not ignorant of what will be required to exact vengeance. They have smuggled billions worth of tobacco, spirits and protein delicacies to CONCORD. Placated, their response times and sec status penalties for killing a ship with an NPC bounty are appropriately affected.

There. A breezy, fun solution to policing the space lanes for malicious bots. If a legitimate player decides to mine or rat for more than 8 hours a day, they do so at their own risk. For those who hunt botters, they will be rewarded.

TL;DR:
You have 8 hours a day of unlimited ratting/mining. Afterwards your ship will be punished with a bounty.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-06 20:56:14 UTC
lol.

I have no other response to how crazy this is, lol.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2012-02-06 21:32:15 UTC
.... I... I'm not sure what to say aside from, "I like it."

How did you Veterans start?
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#4 - 2012-02-06 21:51:23 UTC
Very interesting idea. I like it. A few questions though, would this still give you GCC (and thus concordokken)? If so, how long till concord shows up? If I could solo/duo a CNR in a t1 fit gank thorax, I can see this working out. If it requires more than that, I would lose isk unless he was pimped. Going after something less shiny like a normal raven would be an isk losing proposal under current mechanics unless it were soloable in a t1 fit cruiser. Prior to the insurance nerf this wasn't the case, but it is now.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#5 - 2012-02-06 21:53:45 UTC
Surely this would just make bitters swap accounts after 8 hours?

And don't CCP already monitor accounts that are active for extended periods anyway?

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2012-02-06 21:58:02 UTC
Perhaps the bounty amount could be cumulative?

How did you Veterans start?
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#7 - 2012-02-06 22:52:11 UTC
I could see bounty hunter corps appearing around something like this.
I am prejudiced against bots, myself.

+1

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#8 - 2012-02-06 23:36:54 UTC
Meh. Three characters to an account, they'll just have the bots switch characters every eight hours and solve the problem. Also, I've seen particularly obsessive players spend more than 8 hours on PVE activities. I don't know how they can stand it, but they do.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Dodona
The Guardian Knights
#9 - 2012-02-06 23:51:37 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
A few questions though, would this still give you GCC (and thus concordokken)?


It can't be a free shot for the bounty hunters. What if it really is a real person (and not a bot) with the bounty? The standard punishments will still have to apply. The bounty hunters will still have to think about risk/reward and cost/benefit.

The change in CONCORD response time is adjustable, I don't have any hard numbers.

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. Three characters to an account, they'll just have the bots switch characters every eight hours and solve the problem. Also, I've seen particularly obsessive players spend more than 8 hours on PVE activities. I don't know how they can stand it, but they do.


8 hours is an arbitrary amount, it could be less. If you set it to 6 hours, at least you've cut a bot's efficiency down by 25%. Also, CCP has, as far as I know, never released what metrics they use to determine which accounts bots and which don't. Switching accounts every eight hours consistently might be a good indicator for them that something is not right.

Not to mention, skilling three characters up for PVE activities takes three times longer than skilling one. Or costs three times as much.

The goal really is not to remove botting, that's a big challenge. The goal is only to make it more difficult and less profitable, with a coincident smaller impact on the economy.

I know there are people who PVE for hours and hours and hours. They still can. They will just have to be smarter about it.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#10 - 2012-02-07 06:25:27 UTC
OP, I like your outside of the box thinking. Big smile

What I would add to your idea is if the characters is a repeat offender, the bounty stops resetting after lets say five days in a row. So on the sixth day he has a bounty immediately and from then on it grows every day until he decides to chill for equal amount of days that he overstepped the boundary.

That would curb a little bit the rotation of bots on 1 accounts. Or if not curb, at least make them a more appealing suicide target.
Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-07 06:54:10 UTC
I love this idea because it gets players involved in the process, and rewards them for their time.

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#12 - 2012-02-07 07:48:43 UTC
As weird as it is, I kind of like this idea.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-02-07 08:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Daeva Teresa
Soo you want to punish addicted players right? I remember days, when I was sick laying home in bed and playing something between 12 and 16 hours a day. Since I really had nothing else to do but to watch my dominix slowly afking some lvl 4 missions. I too hate botters but as that CCP security guy said in CSM metting report, you need to deal with bots but dont bug normal players.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.
Bent Barrel
#14 - 2012-02-07 08:22:04 UTC
why mining ? missions I can understand, you are destroying NPC ships. but mining ?
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-02-07 12:45:44 UTC
I'm sorry but I will not support this. I should not get punished just because I want to play the game the way I want to play it. If you want to interfere with my fun then pay the risk aswell.
Callic Veratar
#16 - 2012-02-07 14:25:55 UTC
This is perfect! Then CCP can start selling a "pirate scrambling beacon" in the NeX that lets you mine/rat for an extra hour a day! For a mere $1.60 a day (@ $0.10 each), you can operate for a full 24 hours!

Then of course we drop the 16 cycles down to 2 cycles so that it costs $2.20 to play without hindrance. After that we drop the subscription fee and BAM! EVE is F2P.

No, this is a bad idea.
Dodona
The Guardian Knights
#17 - 2012-02-07 14:33:48 UTC
Herold Oldtimer wrote:
I'm sorry but I will not support this. I should not get punished just because I want to play the game the way I want to play it. If you want to interfere with my fun then pay the risk aswell.


Genuinely curious, in what kind of way do you want to play the game?
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-08 09:31:51 UTC
Dodona wrote:
Herold Oldtimer wrote:
I'm sorry but I will not support this. I should not get punished just because I want to play the game the way I want to play it. If you want to interfere with my fun then pay the risk aswell.


Genuinely curious, in what kind of way do you want to play the game?


I usually play the game in hopes that I won't be bothered by others. And most of the time it works out ok since I'm doing missions and not many gankers want to waste more isk than the reward will give from it. I might get a random ninja salvager or the odd hopeful ganker now and then. But then I try to avoid conflict as mutch as possible. I even have no problems helping others if they ask for it, or to let salvagers have the mission wrecks if they ask for it. You could say that I am playing or want to play the game in a friendly manner. (or idiotic if you ask pvp players)

So then have the game suddenly tell me to basicly cease and decist or face the consequenses just because I'm fireing at trivial things. No thank you.

The idea you are presenting might combat bots, or it may not for all I know. But sadly what I can derive from this is mostly a way to help gankers, well, gank.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#19 - 2012-02-08 09:34:39 UTC
Herold Oldtimer wrote:
I usually play the game in hopes that I won't be bothered by others. And most of the time it works out ok since I'm doing missions and not many gankers want to waste more isk than the reward will give from it. I might get a random ninja salvager or the odd hopeful ganker now and then. But then I try to avoid conflict as mutch as possible. I even have no problems helping others if they ask for it, or to let salvagers have the mission wrecks if they ask for it. You could say that I am playing or want to play the game in a friendly manner. (or idiotic if you ask pvp players)

By the gods, a friendly Eve player. I tip my hat to you, good sir.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#20 - 2012-02-08 10:04:38 UTC
Daeva Teresa wrote:
Soo you want to punish addicted players right? I remember days, when I was sick laying home in bed and playing something between 12 and 16 hours a day. Since I really had nothing else to do but to watch my dominix slowly afking some lvl 4 missions. I too hate botters but as that CCP security guy said in CSM metting report, you need to deal with bots but dont bug normal players.


I wouldnt really describe you as a "normal player" in this case.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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