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Incursions and their effect on RMT
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Inanna NiKunni
BlackBongWater
#1 - 2012-02-06 19:14:24 UTC
A few interesting observations stolen from another thread:


"People don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.

People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.

People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk."

Do we really want CCP to force Krissada's views on the community or keep things sand boxy and leave incursions alone.
My personal opinion is that Krissada should do her own dirty work and leave CCP out of it.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-06 19:28:38 UTC
You act like incursions are so easy to do that everyone can do them. You are wrong
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-02-06 19:49:41 UTC
Inanna NiKunni wrote:
A few interesting observations stolen from another thread:


"People don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.

People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.

People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk."

Do we really want CCP to force Krissada's views on the community or keep things sand boxy and leave incursions alone.
My personal opinion is that Krissada should do her own dirty work and leave CCP out of it.





CCP sell isk now i smell another jita burning.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-06 20:01:19 UTC
Tian Nu wrote:

CCP sell isk now i smell another jita burning.



Not new, or shocking.
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-02-06 20:09:42 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Tian Nu wrote:

CCP sell isk now i smell another jita burning.



Not new, or shocking.


i missed that news care to point it ? ty

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Quellcrist Kovach
Carrera's Wedge
#6 - 2012-02-06 20:23:11 UTC
Tian Nu wrote:


i missed that news care to point it ? ty


PLEX's init
check the market prices
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-02-06 20:26:22 UTC
Quellcrist Kovach wrote:
Tian Nu wrote:


i missed that news care to point it ? ty


PLEX's init
check the market prices


wait are you guys talking about PLEX for ISK or pure ISK selling ?

cos PLEX for ISK is not realy buying ISK (i mean in my eye is for ppl that dont want to pay to play eve to play it whith ISK)

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#8 - 2012-02-06 20:28:21 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
You act like incursions are so easy to do that everyone can do them. You are wrong


They arent any harder than level 4 missions, apart from the logistics of forming a fleet.
Symantha Kata
Deadly Bunchak Hunts
#9 - 2012-02-06 20:34:08 UTC
Tian Nu wrote:
Inanna NiKunni wrote:
A few interesting observations stolen from another thread:


"People don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.

People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.

People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk."

Do we really want CCP to force Krissada's views on the community or keep things sand boxy and leave incursions alone.
My personal opinion is that Krissada should do her own dirty work and leave CCP out of it.





CCP sell isk now i smell another jita burning.



OMG!!!! They've got EvE on computers now????

You're about a lifetime behind reality mate.....
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-02-06 20:37:35 UTC
Symantha Kata wrote:
Tian Nu wrote:
Inanna NiKunni wrote:
A few interesting observations stolen from another thread:


"People don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.

People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.

People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk."

Do we really want CCP to force Krissada's views on the community or keep things sand boxy and leave incursions alone.
My personal opinion is that Krissada should do her own dirty work and leave CCP out of it.





CCP sell isk now i smell another jita burning.



OMG!!!! They've got EvE on computers now????

You're about a lifetime behind reality mate.....


so why is no one pointing out where do you buy ISK from CCP ? trolls ?

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Symantha Kata
Deadly Bunchak Hunts
#11 - 2012-02-06 20:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Symantha Kata
Tian Nu wrote:


so why is no one pointing out where do you buy ISK from CCP ? trolls ?



Because no-one wins an argument with an idiot???


I'll try though...

https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/

Plex can be sold instantly for ISK... Therefore, CCP sell Isk.
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-02-06 21:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tian Nu
Symantha Kata wrote:
Tian Nu wrote:


so why is no one pointing out where do you buy ISK from CCP ? trolls ?



Because no-one wins an argument with an idiot???


I'll try though...

https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/

Plex can be sold instantly for ISK... Therefore, CCP sell Isk.


Inanna NiKunni wrote:
A few interesting observations stolen from another thread:


People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk."



her line looked like CCP was seling strait ISK.

PLEX for ISK is not isk selling or buying is paying for gameplay that you will not pay in another way.

I take the idot part even that am not so shore to who this need to aply in this case.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Symantha Kata
Deadly Bunchak Hunts
#13 - 2012-02-06 21:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Symantha Kata
I really should have known better....
You never win an argument with an idiot!

"PLEX for ISK is not isk selling or buying is paying for gameplay that you will not pay in another way."

That's gold.....

Translation:

"Paying $15 for an item you will sell for 400-500 mil ISK Is not buying ISK"

Or:

"Paying RL $ for ISK is not buying ISK"


Let me get this straight.... Me buying a PLEX from CCP and then selling it ingame for ISK is not Buying ISK???

The fact you seem to know how to operate a keyboard astounds me.. I figured you'd have trouble scratching yourself...
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2012-02-06 22:26:59 UTC
CCP are already working on balancing and changing incursions for the better.
My work here is done for now Smile.
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#15 - 2012-02-06 22:46:13 UTC
Ahh the perfect song comes to mind when i read the OP

Wait for it.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#16 - 2012-02-06 23:47:04 UTC
Tian Nu wrote:
Symantha Kata wrote:
Tian Nu wrote:


so why is no one pointing out where do you buy ISK from CCP ? trolls ?



Because no-one wins an argument with an idiot???


I'll try though...

https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/

Plex can be sold instantly for ISK... Therefore, CCP sell Isk.


Inanna NiKunni wrote:
A few interesting observations stolen from another thread:


People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk."



her line looked like CCP was seling strait ISK.

PLEX for ISK is not isk selling or buying is paying for gameplay that you will not pay in another way.

I take the idot part even that am not so shore to who this need to aply in this case.

If you only want to add game time, you would not buy PLEX. You'd buy extra game time.

The maths:

12-month game time subscription = $131.40

12 x PLEX = $209.94

The only reason a sane person would buy PLEX from CCP would be to sell PLEX in-game for ISK.

Buying PLEX is, almost by definition, buying ISK!

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-02-07 11:54:17 UTC
if you want to belive that CCP invented PLEX for ISK then belive so.

You cant help someone understend something if he not rdy for it = don't argue whith idiot.

Ask youre self what will hapen if tomorow CCP removes PLEX (GTC) and add simple purchase of ISK wia the market (for example you go to web page and but 500ISK for 15$).

Well the next few months there will be 25k players on line.

There is thousends of ppl that will not pay one cent to play EvE if the GTC did not existe we will simply not play.

CCP made plex to get more ppl to play EvE and not to sell ISK, is sad that you blured brains see it as CCP selling ISK.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#18 - 2012-02-07 12:37:51 UTC
Tian Nu wrote:
if you want to belive that CCP invented PLEX for ISK then belive so.

You cant help someone understend something if he not rdy for it = don't argue whith idiot.

Ask youre self what will hapen if tomorow CCP removes PLEX (GTC) and add simple purchase of ISK wia the market (for example you go to web page and but 500ISK for 15$).

Well the next few months there will be 25k players on line.

There is thousends of ppl that will not pay one cent to play EvE if the GTC did not existe we will simply not play.

CCP made plex to get more ppl to play EvE and not to sell ISK, is sad that you blured brains see it as CCP selling ISK.


I underlined the part of your own point that you seem to be missing.

Those "thousends" of people will pay for their gametime in ISK, thus completing the conversion of real money to ISK.

You can argue the fine points that it really is a third party selling PLEX for ISK all you want. The plain fact is CCP sells PLEX to one player who then sells the PLEX to another player for ISK. Real money becomes ISK for player 1 through the purchase and sale of an item CCP created.

Your argument is like saying drug lords don't sell drugs to kids because there is a dealer intermediary.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-02-07 13:31:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tian Nu
War Kitten wrote:
Tian Nu wrote:
if you want to belive that CCP invented PLEX for ISK then belive so.

You cant help someone understend something if he not rdy for it = don't argue whith idiot.

Ask youre self what will hapen if tomorow CCP removes PLEX (GTC) and add simple purchase of ISK wia the market (for example you go to web page and but 500ISK for 15$).

Well the next few months there will be 25k players on line.

There is thousends of ppl that will not pay one cent to play EvE if the GTC did not existe we will simply not play.

CCP made plex to get more ppl to play EvE and not to sell ISK, is sad that you blured brains see it as CCP selling ISK.


I underlined the part of your own point that you seem to be missing.

Those "thousends" of people will pay for their gametime in ISK, thus completing the conversion of real money to ISK.

You can argue the fine points that it really is a third party selling PLEX for ISK all you want. The plain fact is CCP sells PLEX to one player who then sells the PLEX to another player for ISK. Real money becomes ISK for player 1 through the purchase and sale of an item CCP created.

Your argument is like saying drug lords don't sell drugs to kids because there is a dealer intermediary.


am always happy to see mature ppl in EvE ty for devloping youre point of wiev, i agree particulary whith the drug dealer part.

But my first shok was when i seen the OP claimed that you can buy "500 for 15$" that is entiredly differant that buying PLEX then do what ever you want to do whith plex.

I give you example from crimecraft i played time ago.

I looted rare weapon that i put on market at realy high price (it turns out that it was realy realy rare gun and becose i put realy realy high price on it no one could afort it) one day some guy convo me and offers to pay the gun in time codes (after chat to see how this will work we agree on deal).

Now this is important part in the PLEX (you can do what ever whith the PLEX you like)
add it to youre own account
put it on market
sell on forum
mayby buy titan whith it using chriba as 3rd partie

basicly you are not stuck whith only one option to sell it for ISK, CCP offer you item you can buy from them but they dont tell you to sell it for ISK is youre desision to do what you want whith it (you can even give it as gift to friend).

This is definetly not same as to say you can log in and buy 500 mill wia paypal whith youre credit card.

all i was saying that when the OP say you can buy ISK from CCP this is wrong.

i fully understend the pont you are making about the midle man.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Xenuria
#20 - 2012-02-07 16:02:05 UTC
I do not think the OP understand why people RMT.

The main reason why people Sell ISK directly to people/entities for IRL cash is because it is a source of income and an easy way to make undocumented income.

It is also cheaper to do than the legitimate way of converting isk to money by selling GTCs to people through a distributor.

What I have always failed to comprehend about CCP is why they refuse to let their economy grow into it's own legitimate currency.

Look at second life.

They make MILLIONS. Even AFTER the second life population got **** all over by philip linden they STILL kept putting real life cash into the second life economy. They had to have the latest clothes or styles.. Just like people in eve must have the latest ship or the most high end mods.

Second life saw a MASSIVE spike in population when they streamlined the process of turning lindens into USD and visa versa.

The only reason I can think of why this would not work for eve is because isk can be generated out of thin air. So at first CCP would LOSE ALOT OF CASH from payouts to people selling back isk and plex.

That is of course if CCP decides not to let other people accept plex and isk for cash.

If isk and plex is being sold to people other then CCP for cash then CCP loses no money. If anything they gain money provided they make a rule that plex/isk can only be baught with money from CCP.

Wait that sounds confusing.


Let me explain.

Somebody wants to SELL their plex/isk for CASH. A player with CASH Buys the Plex/Isk off the player and CCP gets a cut of it.
Somebody wants to BUY plex/isk they do so by giving CASH to CCP.

make sense?

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