Player Features and Ideas Discussion

is simple as this, marauders are nerfed for pvp supposedly because they would be too good at it.

WHAT exactly would make a marauder that "different" from a Bhaalgorn pvp wise?

they have the same bonus weapon wise, the bhaalgorn actually is buffed for pvp with WEB and neuting bonus. yet you dont see a billion bhaalgorns flying around, for the simple reason that their Price self balances the ship.

Marauders should get that stupid salvage as you go role totally removed, and instead get an all around buff so they can fight properly in both pvp and pve.

my proposal is simple:
drop salvage/tractor bonus.



either allow them to fit a 5th weapon, which would mean they get an overall of 25% more DPS.
or give them a ROF/damage bonus.

add 1 mid slot to all of them.
and a bit more of grid and CPU for fitting.

that will make them a BIT like the faction battleships: machariel, bhaalgorn, vindicator, nightmare.

one last question... how the ****! pirates manage to develop and design ships that outperform EVERY Galactic empire design on all the aspects?

No not really.. they we're intended as the pinnacle of PvE efficiency when they were introduced to be a step up from navy battleships and combining the ability to loot on the go (especially handy for complex ratters in low/null).





Bhaal's are extremely useful and fill a very niche role (anti-triage carrier support); they are widely used in Wormholes, often by Highsec Mercenaries, and situationally in Null. Their pricetag with the likelihood of them being primaries upon landing on grid limit their realtive usefulness in most situations.


[Ager Agemo]Marauders should get that stupid salvage as you go role totally removed, and instead get an all around buff so they can fight properly in both pvp and pve.[/quote]

The problem isn't with Marauders really, the problem is that they are an relatively obsolete platform, T3's are cheaper, outperform them, have better sensor strength, and can fill other roles. Its just the nature of the beast.




Because they are the combination of 2 Empire's strengths with little weakness, they also require more time to be flown properly (having both ships types at V).

They weren't nerfed to slow them in PvP, they were nerfed to reduce thier bot potential. If CCP thought people would actually use them to PvP they might buff them.

this would not affect bots at all that i m aware of, unless as stated they were fighting guristas and even so probably bots could be easily tweaked to deal with jamming.


any ship will always be used for pvp one way or another, i have seen a vagabond get eaten by badgers for what it matters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTn9EASiPMY


and regardless.. the sensor strengh even if buffed would not change anything, their EHP, Tanking, DPS, Speed, and chance to hit a target is extremely lame for their price too. which means they fail at both PVE and PVP, they not only lack a defined role, they cannot do any role.

I just read the original post twice more and nothing there mentioned sensor strength.



5th slot, more, more, more. I'm not against buffing Marauder. I just feel it should be a buff to surviveability. We can pretty much condense ships in to three groups.

- Cheap junk, blow it up, whatever
- Something I will lose but I want performance because it wasnt cheap
- Expensive, I shouldn't be in it but priority says I need to be so I want it to survive.

Marauder fits the third for pretty much most of us. Rigged and full T2 fit a Marauder undock is going to run 1.5 billion or so. A person can lose a ship a day if they are the fashionable primary. I don't know anyone who could hold up that standard of PvP on an ongoing basis.

Lol in my last alliance we had a member lose his tengu to an industrial fleet I **** you not, his excuse was "the badgers had me permajammed". Apparently one group of indies scrammed him, another group jammed him, some webbed and they just let the gateguns do most of the deeps

Moral of story, if 20-30 industrial ships jumping through low sec together looks too good to be true, it's probably too good to be true.


Marauders were nerfed for PvP via their sensor strength. Without it given their high resists, good capacitors and three utility high slots RR marauder gangs would just become unstoppable.

actually i do want to see marauders blowing up, but i want to see them blowing up because they lost on a fair fight, not because they are just powerless to defend themselves against anything.

this would work, if marauders were good at PVE at least, but they arent and you seem to be missing the point all together

which is, 1 Marauders DO NOT! do PVE well either.
and 2, there SHOULD BE NO SHIPS! intended just to be for PVE or PVP, that choice belongs to the players, not to CCP or anyone else to force their use by nerfing constantly, at that rate they might as well make marauders unable to lock player ships at all.

nah, but although true Tech 3 ships (tengu) are overpowered (tengu) and they can do anything perfectly (tengu), i feel they arent the problem really.

marauders are overpowered EVEN by their T1 counterparts 10 times cheaper and by empire navy ships half their price.

Ask me about my (Tengu)