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"I'm sorry, but you're a threat." The new players lament.
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Dowla Daupor
Deltole Deltole Deltole
#61 - 2012-02-06 01:42:23 UTC
You should join RvB, high efficiency pretty much just means you're poor here.
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2012-02-06 01:50:01 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
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look mittani. to be brutally honest the OP has stated a 100% true fact.
"overlords" do decide to kull their "pets", and all the time these "pets" are paying you, the "overlord" to not whimsically drop 300 super-caps on to them just because you are board, or have decided that you want the system back now that they have ground it up for you....

this kinda stuff happens all the time.

i will agree with others in this thread that yes PVP elitism is a bad thing for eve. but when that 0.0 alliance sez yes we are leet pvp all i have to do to guage their legitimacy is check their KBs and lol at the 300 ships it took to kill that one T3 or ratting BS. . .



the only place in the galaxy where there's still a master/renter/pet system is the northeast drone zone, don't go there vOv

~hi~
Alaric Faelen
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2012-02-06 04:53:40 UTC
I wanted to agree.
Oh null sec is full of idiot alliance chiefs. People with more alts than RL friends and who think you learn leadership from a skillbook in a game. BC blobs, treating other players as little more than alts that talk.........I'm with you there. Null bears with more SP than social skills.

But, at least in my experience, it's not quite so elitist as all that either. More than a list of KM's a mile long, the right attitude goes a long way. Humility helps too- rather than think you're more than just another pilot try force of will and personality.

I heard that a bunch in null alliance- people that think no one wants them if they aren't self-sufficient (if you were, then what do you need the alliance for anyway??) and flying supercaps. Sure, if you have the SP. Otherwise, you're a small fish in a big pond and thinking you're on that level is pointless.

Good shopping around, but have the right mentality to go with it. I've yet to see anyone care more about kill ratios than activity in fleets. Just maybe there's more to the story...........
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2012-02-06 06:44:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
The Mittani wrote:
the only place in the galaxy where there's still a master/renter/pet system is the northeast drone zone, don't go there vOv

What will happen to them when the drones get changed? Will a lot of masterless pets return to the joy of isk faucts known as hisec incursions?
Dark Drifter wrote:
heavily smack in local
boast about the faction fitted T3 they killed

Aww man, sounds like I made some sort of bad life-critical decision.
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I had some stupid **** come along and say he'd let me and my corp fly in their space for 16% tax, why the hell should high sec players play by your rules?

Wait, by that metric, I think we're all pets over here. Isn't that a normal tax rate?
The Mittani wrote:
OVERLORDS

MEATGRINDERS

sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o

No one does a meatgrinder like goons! All forces of ~elite pvp~ love coming to play attrition warfare.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-02-06 07:11:12 UTC
I don't really have this issue even if my kill board is less than stellar. I think you are talking to the wrong people.
OT Smithers
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#66 - 2012-02-06 07:27:29 UTC
Such a serious thread... lol

Just grab a frigate, go out to low, poke around and talk to people. Tell them you are a new PvP pilot and want to learn. Some might laugh, but whatever. It won't take you long to find someone if you are pleasant and don't smack talk like a dipshit.
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-02-06 08:00:56 UTC
If you find a corp that cares more about kb stats than actually learning if you would be a good fit for their corp, you should probably keep looking. Good corps are always out there, you just need to find them. If things don't work out, you can always move on to a new corp. Many of us null sec dwellers have had long histories from differnet corps / alliances because stuff happened and you chose too leave.
Citizen Smif
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-02-06 10:29:35 UTC
I don't know what corps you've been applying for but they sound pretty arsey.. I had a **** KB, like 37-40% but I had no problem joining a PvP corp. I get small gang fights every night without fail and my KB is slowly coming back up to 50% mark overall. 0.0 corps take themselves a bit too seriously, if you're looking for low sec PvP apply for this corp - we're taking applications at the moment.

If you're finding every corp your applying for is turning you down then maybe your standards are too high. There are plenty of good PvP corps out there, your clearly trying to apply for elite zomg wtf pwnage corps.. And unfortunately for them you don't quite cut the mark. Don't overexagerate the problem though, just keep looking.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-02-06 12:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
With a lot of decent people, it's not so much efficiency but more about activity. Efficiency whores aren't fun to play with. Pad out your kb stats with activity and it should look a lot better than just 0 kills and 0 losses. Dying in a fire trying to get kills looks a lot better than sitting around on your arse waiting for kills to come to you. Like many have suggested, get in a frigate, ruffle some feathers and someone might actually take notice.

But if you're looking for ~elite pvp~ maybe you should join test Lol
Plutonian
Intransigent
#70 - 2012-02-06 16:59:11 UTC
Citizen Smif wrote:
If you're finding every corp your applying for is turning you down then maybe your standards are too high. There are plenty of good PvP corps out there, your clearly trying to apply for elite zomg wtf pwnage corps.. And unfortunately for them you don't quite cut the mark. Don't overexagerate the problem though, just keep looking.


I'd rather be in a corp that gets its ass kicked on a daily basis, and has fun doing it, than any super-elite pvp-pwnage corp.

Players seeking wild fun do not mix well with serious business spaceship types. Lol
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#71 - 2012-02-06 17:02:37 UTC
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.


I know, right!

Get rid of kill boards and EVE will be one step closer to being a much better game.

Mr Epeen Cool
gfldex
#72 - 2012-02-06 17:03:23 UTC
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
It's a very tough cycle to break, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on what I could reasonably do to step up and above the rest?


Stop whining and start doing.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Tithi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-02-06 18:18:27 UTC
Make friends with people is my advice. KB stats can be overlooked if you are nice and have a good attitude.
Phony v2
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#74 - 2012-02-06 19:07:58 UTC
I have been playing for 9 years in may. One thing I've learned of that time is that you can always find a fun corp to fly with. You just have to look. Even when making a new alt that has no connection to my main I still have found fun PVP corp's to fly with. So just keep looking they are out there.

AMERICA! That's why. 
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#75 - 2012-02-06 19:15:00 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
And expecting new players to spread their training across a wide variety of ships is dumb. At present the Drake is the lowest common denominator allowing effectiveness in a variety of roles. Experience comes in time and is unrealistic to expect a noob to have it in buckets. Willingness is far more important and if you are going to defend high efficiency as important then you are simply bad.


Well said

The virtues of a new player should be energy and enterprise, not the efficiency stats

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#76 - 2012-02-06 19:15:26 UTC
I personally think I have a great ratio.

Almost 92%.... deaths... hmm yeah...
Kaeda Maxwell
Screaming Hayabusa
#77 - 2012-02-06 20:02:55 UTC
Confirming I am in a corp that does not give a rats ass about your killboard stats.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-02-06 20:42:10 UTC
second Tolate wrote:
If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.



This is what Pubbies actually believe.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2012-02-06 20:47:54 UTC
for the OP why you want to play eve whith someone else any way play it solo handle you self.

and if you want corp make youre own one make alts if you want the MMO feel like gameplay.

One of my good friends in game actualy play solo boxing 13 caracters i some time run incursions whith him and is funny lloking at one solo guy doing it all by himself tumbs up.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-02-06 20:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Please duly note that the way killboard stats work is genuinely ******** and does not actually have anything to do with you ability to contribute to strategic level objectives

 Though All Men Do Despise Us