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[Proposal] Make abandoned POS's Un-anchorable.

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Grim Reign
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-06 18:26:52 UTC
I've found at least 3 WH in the past week that have abandoned POS's littering the moons with no sign of any inhabitants. I find it very frustrating that i cant either one take ownership of the moon or just take down the pos all together. So i would like to propose some sort of system that would allow for the claiming of the stations or some way of making it possible for new ppl to enjoy WH space. Im not good at coming up with balanced systems to allow this fairly im just proposing the idea so if there are more ppl in eve that are also annoyed at this situation plz post your ideas so that maybe we can put this up as a priority or even an idea in ccp's head.

Thank you
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#2 - 2012-02-06 19:01:32 UTC
Yea there were a lot threads about it.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-02-06 19:05:00 UTC
Grim Reign wrote:
I've found at least 3 WH in the past week that have abandoned POS's littering the moons with no sign of any inhabitants. I find it very frustrating that i cant either one take ownership of the moon or just take down the pos all together. So i would like to propose some sort of system that would allow for the claiming of the stations or some way of making it possible for new ppl to enjoy WH space. Im not good at coming up with balanced systems to allow this fairly im just proposing the idea so if there are more ppl in eve that are also annoyed at this situation plz post your ideas so that maybe we can put this up as a priority or even an idea in ccp's head.

Thank you


Maybe the Hacking skill could give one a chance to unanchor an offline POS. (A higher chance for smaller POS, lower chance for Faction) That would be pretty neat, I think.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-02-06 19:09:52 UTC
One of the many things that need to be handled in the POS overhaul that EVE has needed for like 6 years
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#5 - 2012-02-06 20:28:46 UTC
+1 and then + 10000 more

Its very annoying to see 100's of dead pos's everywhere.

A pos should not have to be destroyed or left to rot in space forever as a placeholder.

There should be 'profit' in taking a dead unfueled / abandoned pos.
GeoffWICE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-06 21:09:14 UTC
Grim Reign wrote:
Im not good at coming up with balanced systems to allow this fairly im just proposing the idea so if there are more ppl in eve that are also annoyed at this situation plz post your ideas so that maybe we can put this up as a priority or even an idea in ccp's head.

Thank you


you mean like this
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62167&find=unread
?
Jalmari Huitsikko
Avanto
Hole Control
#7 - 2012-02-06 21:32:47 UTC
nerf pos they're too difficult to destroy

in all honestly i see no point why you can anchor deathstar just on top of stargate
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-07 04:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
I remember CCP saying ages ago that things floating in space that hadn't been used in 30 days or more would be removed. Not sure if that was ever implemented or not but seems like it should apply to abandoned POS's. Maybe move them to the Corp's HQ that anchored it? Or have it impounded so that if someone wants it, they can claim it later?

Trouble with WH's is that the POS would probably still be used if the Corp that anchored it could find it again. And that's most likely the problem here, people leave the WH and forgot to BM the exit or got podded out of the WH with no way of finding it again.
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#9 - 2012-02-07 07:26:41 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
I remember CCP saying ages ago that things floating in space that hadn't been used in 30 days or more would be removed. Not sure if that was ever implemented or not but seems like it should apply to abandoned POS's. Maybe move them to the Corp's HQ that anchored it? Or have it impounded so that if someone wants it, they can claim it later?

Trouble with WH's is that the POS would probably still be used if the Corp that anchored it could find it again. And that's most likely the problem here, people leave the WH and forgot to BM the exit or got podded out of the WH with no way of finding it again.



Still - a pos that is unfueled - should be ripe for the picking and should be able to be unanchored.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-07 11:28:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Maybe the Hacking skill could give one a chance to unanchor an offline POS. (A higher chance for smaller POS, lower chance for Faction) That would be pretty neat, I think.

Hacking an offline POS replaces its authentication table and makes it "yours", at which point you can do whatever you want with it. It doesn't matter when it ran out, if it's offline, it's hackable.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#11 - 2012-02-07 15:42:25 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Maybe the Hacking skill could give one a chance to unanchor an offline POS. (A higher chance for smaller POS, lower chance for Faction) That would be pretty neat, I think.

Hacking an offline POS replaces its authentication table and makes it "yours", at which point you can do whatever you want with it. It doesn't matter when it ran out, if it's offline, it's hackable.



Make it so CCP
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-02-07 18:00:23 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Maybe the Hacking skill could give one a chance to unanchor an offline POS. (A higher chance for smaller POS, lower chance for Faction) That would be pretty neat, I think.

Hacking an offline POS replaces its authentication table and makes it "yours", at which point you can do whatever you want with it. It doesn't matter when it ran out, if it's offline, it's hackable.


^ This.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#13 - 2012-02-07 18:35:11 UTC
/me agrees! Lol

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-07 19:13:39 UTC
I'm broadly in favor of this, and have been for quite some time. CCP is quite aware of this issue, in particular with respect to the POS graveyards in some WH's.

However, I personally think there should be a short grace period after the POS goes offline before it's hackable/unanchorable/whatever.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#15 - 2012-02-07 19:44:37 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I'm broadly in favor of this, and have been for quite some time. CCP is quite aware of this issue, in particular with respect to the POS graveyards in some WH's.

However, I personally think there should be a short grace period after the POS goes offline before it's hackable/unanchorable/whatever.


YES I agree,

Dead POSes should either be able to be salvaged or hacked and unanchored after a given amount of time. I believe 90 days is fair. Many others in other threads about this same topic believe it should be much shorter.

90 Days is long enough that anyone having an unexpected absence from the game should be able to get back by then. If you are going to be gone for more than 90 days you should have known about it and planed ahead by either taking it down or arranging for a friend to put an alt in your corp to top up the fuel once in a while.

Any shorter than 90 days I belive would result in a lot of semi active players complaining. I believe there are many offline POSes in EVE that have been there for far more than 90 days. and not just in W-space but even in high sec. Start with 90 days and see how many disappear. I expect the number of off line POSes in EVE that have been ofline for less than 90 days will be small.

If having a grace period would not work than just make off line POSes easier to kill than online POSes. the argument has been made many times that a POS with no fuel should have no shield. How is the shield powered if there is no fuel? Currently the bubble disapears but if you want to pop the tower you have to burn through the full amount of shield giving it the same hit points as an online POS minus any defensive modules such as shield hardeners that would be off line.

I believe off line POSes are even protected by reinforce mode if they have stront in them. not sure on this but that is what I have heard.
GeoffWICE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-02-07 21:26:10 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
However, I personally think there should be a short grace period after the POS goes offline before it's hackable/unanchorable/whatever.


Yep I agree thats why i came up with the idea of a Anchor-able hacking module
the idea is it has a given amount of time to "hack" the POS giving the owner time to respond.

Any chance this is going to be added to the CSM's list of things to be done?
vikari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-07 23:46:12 UTC
I don't see the need to unanchor offline POS"s. It's hard to say something is abandoned or not. I think the answer lies in the shields. If a POS is offline then the shields should not be part of it's HP. However this comes down to the programming in the game, and CCP has expressed it isn't easily fixed.
GeoffWICE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-02-08 03:42:45 UTC
vikari wrote:
I don't see the need to unanchor offline POS"s. It's hard to say something is abandoned or not. I think the answer lies in the shields. If a POS is offline then the shields should not be part of it's HP. However this comes down to the programming in the game, and CCP has expressed it isn't easily fixed.


While the no shields while offline make sense and should happen anyway, I want the POS not a killmail or the moon.
It just criminal all those faction towers in WH space that are abandoned that no one can use.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#19 - 2012-02-08 09:44:16 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I'm broadly in favor of this, and have been for quite some time. CCP is quite aware of this issue, in particular with respect to the POS graveyards in some WH's.

However, I personally think there should be a short grace period after the POS goes offline before it's hackable/unanchorable/whatever.


Fully agree. A grace period is needed.

I also suggest that in order to do this in HiSec, you have to wardec the owning corp.
If the corp is closed then no need.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-02-08 10:42:05 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I'm broadly in favor of this, and have been for quite some time. CCP is quite aware of this issue, in particular with respect to the POS graveyards in some WH's.

However, I personally think there should be a short grace period after the POS goes offline before it's hackable/unanchorable/whatever.

Why? If it's offline, it's already been at least a few weeks since it was last tended to properly.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
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