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Ratting: No Caldari Skills---> Drake ----> Tengu
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Kire Suah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-02 17:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kire Suah
So, I've finally gotten most of the ships I wanted to pvp with, all of them minmatar. However, I always have to spend more time than I like ratting to fund pvp. I was told caldari had better ratting ships, with the tengu being one of the best. Thing is, I don't know much about caldari, T3 cruisers, or missiles in general.

So, I'm looking for a skill plan. I suppose it would be best to just start as a new character so other people can use it and cut out what they already have. Basically, I'm looking for the skills to competently fly a drake, and then competently fly a Tengu, and then perfectly fly a Tengu.

Thanks for any plans/tips you can give!
Leetha Layne
#2 - 2012-01-03 05:18:09 UTC
Let's see your Eveboard so we can help better.
Ryuce
#3 - 2012-01-03 08:03:51 UTC
I'd say go for the Tengu. It's quiet a bit more effective then the Drake.

Basicly go for subsystems V, tech II heavy missiles and heavy missile support skills at IV. Considering you are Minmatar I assume you have decent shield, capacitor and navigation skills. With these skills you should be good to go - subs at IV will work too, but they are fast to train and give a large boost.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-01-03 14:25:09 UTC
Ryuce wrote:
I'd say go for the Tengu. It's quiet a bit more effective then the Drake.

Basicly go for subsystems V, tech II heavy missiles and heavy missile support skills at IV. Considering you are Minmatar I assume you have decent shield, capacitor and navigation skills. With these skills you should be good to go - subs at IV will work too, but they are fast to train and give a large boost.


For the PvE Tengu, the offensive and defensive subs are the priority to get to V; the others are OK to leave at IV until everything else is done.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kire Suah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-04 06:16:41 UTC
Leetha Layne wrote:
Let's see your Eveboard so we can help better.


Well I was hoping to start it off as a fresh character. Basically I'm just looking for a skill plan to get in a competent drake, and then a competent Tengu, and then a perfect Tengu.
Mona X
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-04 17:12:08 UTC
Kire Suah wrote:
Leetha Layne wrote:
Let's see your Eveboard so we can help better.


Well I was hoping to start it off as a fresh character. Basically I'm just looking for a skill plan to get in a competent drake, and then a competent Tengu, and then a perfect Tengu.


Blank character will require most skills anyway. To fly PVE tengu you won't need to train drones, electronic warfare and most gunnery (except WU and AWU).

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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-04 22:52:41 UTC
It depends where you're ratting,

If you have all minmatar skills, hurricanes, sleipnirs and ofcourse the machariel do pretty ok.
Shaen Vesuvius
Redcoats
#8 - 2012-01-17 13:09:54 UTC
a blank char? ...

Map blank char for Int + Wis

Train cybernetics 4, plug in +4 implants...

Quickly train the basic shield and engineering skills to 4.

Remap to Perception and Willpower

Plug in Perc en Will +4 implants

Train caldari cruiser and BC to 4.

go for missles and its support skills (dont forget WU and AWU)

This should get you started. After this go for cruiser 5, Caldari Strat cruiser 1 (any further is nonsense) and do the Offensive subsystem to 5.

After this it's a matter of priority whether you remap back to accomodate the Int based skills or keep focussing on Perception based skills.
Lilith Aurilien
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-18 00:33:42 UTC
Skill sheet

Tengu (and only Tengu) pilot example...mission runner so you could lose the social skills and pick up cloaking n stuff for a 0.0 ratter, but basically the core skills you will need. Am training everything to level V myself but you are fine with IV for many skills...
S0mvera Delament
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-02-01 18:49:04 UTC
So aprox 6 months for a perfect tengu char from scrap ?
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-02 07:59:27 UTC
if you have the money, which in your case probably isn't a problem
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-02-03 22:05:43 UTC
Also :3 once you try it out in PvP you won't be flying Minmatar anymore.

Ferox #1
Cardinal Raw
#13 - 2012-02-03 22:13:32 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Also :3 once you try it out in PvP you won't be flying Minmatar anymore.


Yes please pvp more in tengus they make sweet killmails made all the more succulent by knowing the pilot lost skillpoints in the affair.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#14 - 2012-02-04 02:40:15 UTC
The 6 month estimate is probably pretty well on the mark.

100ish days for perfect Heavies
20ish days for the sub skills
30ish for cruiser V
Some Nav
Some Shields

This blank character.. It's a seperate account ? right ? Because these are good skills to have on any main. No reason to split skills on the same account.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#15 - 2012-02-04 22:13:54 UTC
Put ship fit in eft first.

Let it tell you all skills needed to fly.

Take all the skills needed to max out the tengu and put it in evemon.

Optimize the list with your remaps and get to training. Big smile
myFORUMalt alts
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-06 18:20:44 UTC
Kire Suah wrote:
So, I've finally gotten most of the ships I wanted to pvp with, all of them minmatar. However, I always have to spend more time than I like ratting to fund pvp. I was told caldari had better ratting ships, with the tengu being one of the best. Thing is, I don't know much about caldari, T3 cruisers, or missiles in general.

So, I'm looking for a skill plan. I suppose it would be best to just start as a new character so other people can use it and cut out what they already have. Basically, I'm looking for the skills to competently fly a drake, and then competently fly a Tengu, and then perfectly fly a Tengu.

Thanks for any plans/tips you can give!



I have monster missile and caldari skills, and im going to where you are for my ratting skills. The mach are vargur are widly accepted as the best ratting ships in the game. Go that route.
Oh, and tengu is good, just remember it has to use kinetic missiles to be effective.

Yes, I complain about things I don't like.