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casthor Khan
#1 - 2011-09-19 02:53:32 UTC
So, at the moment, I have a little colony set up, mostly to test my math. I am buying P2 products and making P3. What would be the costs associated with this? I am a little skeptical on the numbers I am getting with my math. I do not want to get to detailed on what exactly I am making, but would like to know if this is reasonable.

I am making 24 P3 products per hour per colony. This is 80 P2 products per hour. Obviously, depending on the product I am producing, the profit per day can vary, but.. according to my math, I am making 15m per day per colony? Does this sound like a reasonable number? With all 6 planets running this same set up, this would work out to 2.7B per month. This number seems very high and I am having doubts on my math.

Could someone let me know if this is a reasonable number? If not, what are the costs? I feel 95% positive I am missing something in my costs.
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#2 - 2011-09-19 03:11:44 UTC
Did u figure in the cost of transporting the items down to the planet through the customs office ?

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casthor Khan
#3 - 2011-09-19 03:17:53 UTC
For every 24 P3 items I produce, it costs me 360 to import the P2 product, yes.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2011-09-19 05:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I've found that importing one P2 and manufacturing the second P2 from imported P1, then manufacturing the P3 works well.

This is what mine looks like: 6 AIF = P3 (around center spaceport), 12 AIF = P2 (around left and right spaceport), 1 AIF (bottom center) = P2 only used to kick-start (otherwise the P3 AIF will never fill completely, but once they do, this AIF isn't needed anymore).

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Ponder Yonder
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#5 - 2011-09-19 12:41:09 UTC
casthor Khan wrote:

... I am buying P2 products and making P3....
I am making 24 P3 products per hour per colony. This is 80 P2 products per hour...


I think your math is wrong: A P3 factory requires 10 of each P2 product, producing 3 P3 products. From your example, you are producing 24 P3's, therefore 8 factories. They will require a total of 80 of each P2 used as input. Depending on the type of P3, you will use either 160 or 240 total P2's per hour.
casthor Khan
#6 - 2011-09-19 14:22:45 UTC
Ponder Yonder wrote:
casthor Khan wrote:

... I am buying P2 products and making P3....
I am making 24 P3 products per hour per colony. This is 80 P2 products per hour...


I think your math is wrong: A P3 factory requires 10 of each P2 product, producing 3 P3 products. From your example, you are producing 24 P3's, therefore 8 factories. They will require a total of 80 of each P2 used as input. Depending on the type of P3, you will use either 160 or 240 total P2's per hour.



There it is. I don't know why, but I was using 5 of each. I knew something was wrong, I didn't expect it to be so obvious. Thanks!
Lord Wickham
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-19 14:49:58 UTC
So what's your profit now?
casthor Khan
#8 - 2011-09-19 14:56:38 UTC
130m +/- 20m. MUCH more of what I was expecting.
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#9 - 2011-09-19 18:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Vaughn Lampen
casthor Khan wrote:
130m +/- 20m. MUCH more of what I was expecting.


Is that per day because if it is that math can't be right at all. I'm assuming it's per month which sounds much more likely.

I'm not sure what trade hub you're operating out of at the moment but these are the only P2-P3 chains that are profitable from Jita right now:

(This assumes a single planet with 24 AIF facilities each making 3 P3 products per hour for a total of 72 P3 products per hour)

Camera Drones - $128,274,471.63 ISK/month per planet
Hermetic Membranes - $111,880,662.84 ISK/month per planet
Transcranial Microcontrollers - $70,096,051.20 ISK/month per planet
Synthetic Synapses - $46,354,338.51 ISK/month per planet
Vaccines - $11,833,320.04 ISK/month per planet

Every other P2-P3 production scheme utilizing nothing but factory planets is highly unprofitable.

All these estimates are from my personal PI spreadsheet using prices from Jita 4/4. The calculate everything include P2 input costs, taxes, broker, market and transportation fees. Additionally profitability is based on current market buy prices allowing for greater market price fluctuation. I do it that way to ensure that my own schemes remain profitable.

Anyway it all depends on where you're operating out of but I'd double check your math since you're only making 24 P3 products per hour so you really shouldn't be running that high a profit margin. Once again I'm assuming you operate out of Jita 4/4 so I could be wrong.
casthor Khan
#10 - 2011-09-19 19:16:19 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
casthor Khan wrote:
130m +/- 20m. MUCH more of what I was expecting.


Is that per day because if it is that math can't be right at all. I'm assuming it's per month which sounds much more likely.

I'm not sure what trade hub you're operating out of at the moment but these are the only P2-P3 chains that are profitable from Jita right now:

(This assumes a single planet with 24 AIF facilities each making 3 P3 products per hour for a total of 72 P3 products per hour)

Camera Drones - $128,274,471.63 ISK/month per planet
Hermetic Membranes - $111,880,662.84 ISK/month per planet
Transcranial Microcontrollers - $70,096,051.20 ISK/month per planet
Synthetic Synapses - $46,354,338.51 ISK/month per planet
Vaccines - $11,833,320.04 ISK/month per planet

Every other P2-P3 production scheme utilizing nothing but factory planets is highly unprofitable.

All these estimates are from my personal PI spreadsheet using prices from Jita 4/4. The calculate everything include P2 input costs, taxes, broker, market and transportation fees. Additionally profitability is based on current market buy prices allowing for greater market price fluctuation. I do it that way to ensure that my own schemes remain profitable.

Anyway it all depends on where you're operating out of but I'd double check your math since you're only making 24 P3 products per hour so you really shouldn't be running that high a profit margin. Once again I'm assuming you operate out of Jita 4/4 so I could be wrong.



I am operating out of Rens. And the 130m is per month with all 6 planets. So, even then, according to your numbers, I may want to look at another product.
Kelmurdoch
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#11 - 2011-09-19 20:01:56 UTC
You may also wish to consider producing P3 from P1. You will produce less overall P3, as you'll need more planet for the P1 to P2 generation, however you may be able to make more money overall due to lower input costs.
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#12 - 2011-09-19 21:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Vaughn Lampen
casthor Khan wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
casthor Khan wrote:
130m +/- 20m. MUCH more of what I was expecting.


Is that per day because if it is that math can't be right at all. I'm assuming it's per month which sounds much more likely.

I'm not sure what trade hub you're operating out of at the moment but these are the only P2-P3 chains that are profitable from Jita right now:

(This assumes a single planet with 24 AIF facilities each making 3 P3 products per hour for a total of 72 P3 products per hour)

Camera Drones - $128,274,471.63 ISK/month per planet
Hermetic Membranes - $111,880,662.84 ISK/month per planet
Transcranial Microcontrollers - $70,096,051.20 ISK/month per planet
Synthetic Synapses - $46,354,338.51 ISK/month per planet
Vaccines - $11,833,320.04 ISK/month per planet

Every other P2-P3 production scheme utilizing nothing but factory planets is highly unprofitable.

All these estimates are from my personal PI spreadsheet using prices from Jita 4/4. The calculate everything include P2 input costs, taxes, broker, market and transportation fees. Additionally profitability is based on current market buy prices allowing for greater market price fluctuation. I do it that way to ensure that my own schemes remain profitable.

Anyway it all depends on where you're operating out of but I'd double check your math since you're only making 24 P3 products per hour so you really shouldn't be running that high a profit margin. Once again I'm assuming you operate out of Jita 4/4 so I could be wrong.



I am operating out of Rens. And the 130m is per month with all 6 planets. So, even then, according to your numbers, I may want to look at another product.


Yeah 130m per month with 6 planets is quite low. I'd suggest getting a spreadsheet started for PI if you're serious about making money with it.

The guy above me makes a good suggestion. The more steps you move away from your input product the more profit you generate per unit, generally speaking at least as there are several exceptions.

For example - If you build Broadcast Nodes from P1 components on 6 planets according to my current sheet you can get about $387,123,424 a month. Much better than your current system. Obviously prices vary down in Rens so it might be different for you.

P.S. I'll sell you my PI Spreadsheet for a nice fee Pirate
casthor Khan
#13 - 2011-09-20 03:31:30 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
casthor Khan wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
casthor Khan wrote:
130m +/- 20m. MUCH more of what I was expecting.


Is that per day because if it is that math can't be right at all. I'm assuming it's per month which sounds much more likely.

I'm not sure what trade hub you're operating out of at the moment but these are the only P2-P3 chains that are profitable from Jita right now:

(This assumes a single planet with 24 AIF facilities each making 3 P3 products per hour for a total of 72 P3 products per hour)

Camera Drones - $128,274,471.63 ISK/month per planet
Hermetic Membranes - $111,880,662.84 ISK/month per planet
Transcranial Microcontrollers - $70,096,051.20 ISK/month per planet
Synthetic Synapses - $46,354,338.51 ISK/month per planet
Vaccines - $11,833,320.04 ISK/month per planet

Every other P2-P3 production scheme utilizing nothing but factory planets is highly unprofitable.

All these estimates are from my personal PI spreadsheet using prices from Jita 4/4. The calculate everything include P2 input costs, taxes, broker, market and transportation fees. Additionally profitability is based on current market buy prices allowing for greater market price fluctuation. I do it that way to ensure that my own schemes remain profitable.

Anyway it all depends on where you're operating out of but I'd double check your math since you're only making 24 P3 products per hour so you really shouldn't be running that high a profit margin. Once again I'm assuming you operate out of Jita 4/4 so I could be wrong.



I am operating out of Rens. And the 130m is per month with all 6 planets. So, even then, according to your numbers, I may want to look at another product.


Yeah 130m per month with 6 planets is quite low. I'd suggest getting a spreadsheet started for PI if you're serious about making money with it.

The guy above me makes a good suggestion. The more steps you move away from your input product the more profit you generate per unit, generally speaking at least as there are several exceptions.

For example - If you build Broadcast Nodes from P1 components on 6 planets according to my current sheet you can get about $387,123,424 a month. Much better than your current system. Obviously prices vary down in Rens so it might be different for you.

P.S. I'll sell you my PI Spreadsheet for a nice fee Pirate


Eve mail me your fee. I tried mailing you but a 1m CSPA? lol I have a little spreadsheet I made, but just something I rigged up for the basics, don't think I included ALL the fees.