EVE General Discussion

If you are PvEing in lowsec you are self selecting to become a victim. Few people will self select to be a victim. Those that do tend to get blown up once or twice and get the message. If you're willing to take the risk for low sec why not try to get into null. Better isk, better security, and PvP without gate guns and sec hits (better small gang pvp if you're in NPC 0.0).

I'm really glad that CCP knows that throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it.

I'm also glad that most highsec'ers will not give a dime about higher rewards in lowsec,
because we lowsec residents will surely not move an inch for greedy bastards ...
... hence it doesn't change anything.

TL;DR for the simple minded:

SURE ! GIVE US MORE ISK ! WE'LL TAKE IT AND YOU WON'T GET IT !

:)

Agreed. Don't buff low or null! Nerf high sec instead. We don't need more isk in this game, it is inflated enough.

I started out in high sec and when i got into exploration I started to realize how much better the rewards were in low so I found myself a little region in low sec to do radar and DED sites. Best decision ever! I was able to learn to pvp, watch my back/local, and made far more money that I had before. Those skills transfer to null really well.

I'd also like to see more game mechanics bring people from high to low sec. Some sort of smuggling missions that pay well enough to encourage players to get a little fleet together and haul it out of high sec into pirate infested territory.

I think by decreasing the high sec rewards we could draw more new players, like myself, into low and null sec, which would be good for the game.

The rewards of low sec have been good with level 5 missions and better ratting.

The problem is that the game has grown since its original 30k player base with 7 k players on at a time. At that time gate camps were still present, but not *so often* that they were everywhere all the time, so the risk was lower.

Now that the playerbase is not 30k, but now 300k, the low sec gates are perma-camped and the risk/probabily of loosing your ship is now 10 fold what it was before. The reward has not increased, so the risk/reward has been skewed.

Taurean Eitanin had a post on his blog that pretty much said it all... having to evade 5 camps in just a 10 minute time frame. http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.com/2012/01/fixing-eve-assault-ships.html

Not sure what to do.... if the rewards were to match the risk, the rewards would be excessive and riduculous... making some of the low-sec gates (like 0.4) "uncampable" is one thought, but the pirates would whine us to death...

... no good solution here.

Nerf incursions, delete lowsec, expand npc null.

The problem is there is no safe way to farm them for days with a random group of carebears in pimpships like the current ex-wow raiding crew does in highsec.

Now If the Revenant BPC wasn't totally worthless thanks to the ship being a complete failure, maybe specialized corps would go to low and finish the incursions as they're meant to, which is as fast as possible.

So far what I have gotten from this is that the OP doesn't think he makes enough ISK in lowsec and want's CCP to give him more...

Hmmm...

Let's just turn all of Lowsec into NPC Nullsec. The concept of "Low security" space doesn't even make sense anyway. Unless it is like the ghetto of EvE. Police don't go there because it is the ghetto. In which case you shouldn't be making any money at all. It's the ghetto.

Brilliant idea!
I am sure that the 67.6% of Eve players who live in high sec (CCP's numbers) will be thrilled and when they respond by nerfing Eve's subscription base, that will just peachy for you.

And thusly what could have been a sensible debate into looking at the socio-economic issues surrounding low sec degrades into a null sec meta win call to nerf high sec incursions.

As if they don't have enough threads about that topic of their own to troll.

Ah well I guess null sec doesn't give a shite about anybodies EvE experience except their own so to be expected. Sorry low sec, null sec aint interested so thread changed.

Mind they need you for the immediate future as you are the testing ground for the new FW mechanics as they wanted to ensure they are right before allowing them into the null sec environment. How does it feel to be a hamster or a null sec buffer whilst they ensure FW mechanics can't touch their SoV?

I have experience of low and realise how profitable it can be with plex sites and the increased benefits. For which the defence of these areas and especially pockets are defended with the usual "get off my lawn" politics.

The problems associated with low sec are more to do with the lack of attraction from the loss of security. But in my experience if you manage to get into the in crowd, they have a number of "blue" relationships going on defending territory and capatalising on overall NPC bonuses, PI and Plex. It can be quite fun in fact, but you need to be those pretending as criminals to own the lawn as opposed to anyone travelling through it. They are actually quite organised with intel channels, cloaked spotters and co-ordinated allegiances. In this way you can execute the criminal defence policy for profit whilst allowing the capitalisation of your cherished low sec areas. Then coupled with alts to effect supply and other needs, removes the problem of having to manage security status for mains.

Also due to populations and relocation of completed elsewhere in regions means that over time that plex does tend to improve during the daily cycle as due to probablity they begin to collect in the low sec regions. Allowing the scanning of a number of opportunites more favourable later in the plex lifetime cycles. Means later in the day after DT, a number of plex can scanned down and be run in succession. Minor point though, but just thought I'd throw it in as a little gem. Sure many are aware however.

The low sec experience is then quite favourable if you get chummy with the local populace, with the main problem seeming to be the transit of capitals from over zealous anti-pirating null sec alliances. Or the danger of the hot drop.

So as an advert for low sec, don't think its all hostile, if you can get in with the local significant "gangsta" force or power and join them, you can have quite a profitable low sec experience with plenty of PvP thrown in for free.

I think what most of us are saying is that 68% would decrease if there was a larger difference between high and low sec rewards. As of right now, low sec is dangerous enough for the average high sec player that they stay out of it because they can earn almost as much money in relative safety.

If it was set up so that there was a bit more incentive to go to low (either by increasing low sec rewards or lowering high sec rewards), then the population would even out a bit more and low sec see more high sec players venturing in for a piece of the pie. Then that 67% might end up being more like 50% or less. Many of us think this would be good for the game. You are welcome to disagree.

So the question is which way should we go? Buff low or nerf high? I'm sure you have your own unbiased reasons why high sec should be so ridiculously populated and profitable. I believe that Isk inflation is a problem currently, and I'd rather not see CCP add more isk to the game by buffing any rewards anywhere. Thus I think the only solution is to nerf high sec.

I don't foresee this mass subscription exodus like you do. Some players will still want to just stay in high sec because they are safe. Others may decide that the risk is worth it. I think once they discover that low and null aren't actually suicide and can be profitable, they'll find a much more exciting game out there, and have some good stories to tell their high sec buddies.